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To: mbeeber

Why is a so-called messianic jew not a christian? Or, if supposedly (s)he is christian, how can (s)he claim to be a Jew?


42 posted on 12/01/2008 8:13:16 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Not sure you were watching, but it came up in a recent thread: "The Absurdity of Preterist Replacementarianism"

We (IMHO) never got a good answer from the individual that was pushing that idea.

43 posted on 12/01/2008 8:16:40 AM PST by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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Why is a so-called messianic jew not a christian? Or, if supposedly (s)he is christian, how can (s)he claim to be a Jew?

Is the Messiah Jewish ?

or is he Greek ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
44 posted on 12/01/2008 8:32:29 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: onedoug

Hello Onedoug, Your question was: “Why is a so-called messianic jew not a christian? Or, if supposedly (s)he is christian, how can (s)he claim to be a Jew?” “Messiah” is the English term that comes from “Moshiach” —itÂ’s a Hebrew word meaning “the anointed one.” (המשיח). There were a number of moshiach’s in Jewish history, including King David and Judas Maccabeus. All were “types” of the ultimate “Moshiach”, Yeshua or Jesus of Nazareth, who shed His blood as a offering for the sins of all mankind, and will one day site upon the “Throne of David” in Jerusalem as King of all the earth. To avoid any semantics, Messiah means Christ. A Messianic Jew is a Christian Jew. Paul, Peter and myriads of Jews believing in the diety and Messiah-ship of Jesus are Messianic Jews. They are also Christian Jews. As a gentile in Christ, you are a Messianic Gentile. As far as election, we are all one in Christ. There are some Messianic Jews that may take issue with my statment “A Messianic Jew is a Christian Jew”. They are being factous and are not speaking from a Christ centered perspective, but rather a foolishly contrived pseudo Messianic perspective. Feel free to refer to me as a Messianic Jew, Hebrew Christian or Jewish Christian. All that matters is that Jesus knows who I am and I know that He knows. I hope that answer lays to rest your question. In Christ, Marshall


60 posted on 12/01/2008 3:46:29 PM PST by mbeeber (Messianic Literary Corner Director (http://www.messianic-literary.com/))
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To: onedoug

(a correction of my previous posting)

Hello Onedoug,

Your question was: “Why is a so-called messianic jew not a christian? Or, if supposedly (s)he is christian, how can (s)he claim to be a Jew?”

“Messiah” is the English term that comes from “Moshiach”. It is a Hebrew word meaning “the anointed one.” There were a number of moshiach’s in Jewish history, including King David and Judas Maccabeus. All were “types” of the ultimate “Moshiach”, Yeshua or Jesus of Nazareth, who shed His blood as a offering for the sins of all mankind, and will one day site upon the “Throne of David” in Jerusalem as King of all the earth.

To avoid any semantics, Messiah means Christ. A Messianic Jew is a Christian Jew. Paul, Peter and myriads of Jews believing in the diety and Messiah-ship of Jesus are Messianic Jews. They are also Christian Jews. As a gentile in Christ, you are a Messianic Gentile. As far as election, we are all one in Christ.

There are some Messianic Jews that may take issue with my statment “A Messianic Jew is a Christian Jew”. They are being factous and are not speaking from a Christ centered perspective, but rather a foolishly contrived pseudo Messianic perspective.

Feel free to refer to me as a Messianic Jew, Hebrew Christian or Jewish Christian. All that matters is that Jesus knows who I am and I know that He knows. I hope that answer lays to rest your question.

There are those that question why a believer in Jesus with Jewish ancestry should still be considered a Jew. Should one’s Jewishness be denied if one believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah? Why so? If Jesus is not the Messiah, King of Israel, than I am an apostate and you Christians are deluded fools. If Jesus is the Messiah, then my Jewishness should be proclaimed. Did not Paul state that he was a Jew. He did not do so from false pride, but simply stated a fact.

In Christ,

Marshall


61 posted on 12/01/2008 4:00:45 PM PST by mbeeber (Messianic Literary Corner Director (http://www.messianic-literary.com/))
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