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To: topcat54
unless you are a gentile turned messianic Jew.

Would he then have a claim on the land "from the river to the sea". And still eligible to get raptured out in the nick of tribulation? Best 'o both worlds.

Ohh, this gets so complicated.

66 posted on 12/01/2008 7:11:07 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: Lee N. Field
Ohh, this gets so complicated.

I wanna know when they hold the bris.

70 posted on 12/01/2008 7:30:21 PM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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To: Lee N. Field

Matthew 24:29-31 emphasizes a gathering of the elect, of both Old and New Covenant saints rising from their graves, and New Covenant saints (Christians) faithfully awaiting the return of the Lord. This passage indicates the Rapture will take place during tribulation, following the shaking of heavenly powers and sign of Son of Man in heaven.

Matthew 24:29-31, KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Paul’s stated in 2 Thes. 2:3-4 that the second coming of the Messiah will not occur until a falling away occurs first, followed by the coming of the son of perdition (anti-christ), and then the defiling of the Temple of God in Jerusalem. This passage contradicts the Pre-Tribulational doctrinal viewpoint.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-9

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Read a complete study on the Rapture at http://www.messianic-literary.com/rapture.htm


71 posted on 12/01/2008 7:30:54 PM PST by mbeeber (Messianic Literary Corner Director (http://www.messianic-literary.com/))
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