Discovery Channel's "UNWRAPPING THE SHROUD: NEW EVIDENCE" ... December 14 At 10PM ET/PT

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[RGPII]

I wish the website http://www.faustina-message.com/zgromadzenie_anga.htm had the whole image but it is only the head. Perhaps someone knows where it might be elsewhere on the internet.

[Jaded]

Thanks for the link.

[RGPII]

Sure, if it makes you feel good to say that.

[RGPII]

Sure, if it makes you feel good to say that.

[GonzoII]

Thanks a lot.

[GonzoII]

http://www.shroud.com/examine.htm

[RGPII]

Then be watching.

[RGPII]

thanks for the Lynx.

[Jaded]

Too much sugar?

[mel]

thanks for putting in link

[mel]

Can’t wait to see this Saturday

[Coleus]

Ray Rogers Shroud of Turin Fraud on Tonight (Discovery)
	12/14/2008 5:51:26 PM PST · by Soliton · 24 replies · 302+ views

[SuziQ]

We DVR’d the program, and are watching it right now.

[tuckrdout]

Seems to me, years ago, I watched a special on the shroud, and one of the experts that was on the team...or perhaps it was the photographer...I don’t remember, but he was a Jewish Man, who doesn’t believe in Jesus...and he stated that the Shroud was NOT a fake. That there was no explaination for the image.

So, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of agreement on this team of experts!

[SuziQ]

The main reason for their programming seems to be to sneer at Christianity. I’d be happy to be proven wrong with this one.

It was rather interesting. A couple who had read about the results of the Carbon 14 dating had questioned the findings, because they'd done research showing that the areas of the Shroud that were subjected to the dating, could have been taken from an area of the Shroud that had been re-woven in the middle ages. To them, that explained why the spread of time of the dating was so broad.

Rogers, who was one of the original scientists on the study, at first dismissed the couple's findings, because they were not even scientists. He complained to the photographer, and said that he could prove them wrong in 5 minutes. The photographer just told him to go for it. Rogers was shocked to find that the couple WAS right!

The final part of the show mentioned that the reliquary for the Shroud had been treated with a substance that would keep insects from attacking it. That treatment would keep the Carbon 14 dating from being accurate, but there are some areas of the Shroud that were removed before it was returned to the treated reliquary; the ones that were from the areas that were burned in a fire in the 15th century. It's possible that these areas, when the carbon from the fire is removed, could go through the dating process again. It will be interesting to see if Church officials, and the scientists, will agree to do it.

[annalex]

The only reason to have the show, it seems, was to air again the false and discretited Carbon 14 dating to lend some new legitimacy to it.

[SuziQ]

Actually this show called into question the legitimacy of the Carbon 14 data, upon which all of the negative stories about the Shroud were recently based. Ray Rogers, who verified the existence of the re-weaving, called for new Carbon 14 testing from the parts of the Shroud which had not been repaired before.

Some of the pieces that had been damaged in the fire in the 15th Century were original to the Shroud, and those had been removed before the Shroud was put back in its new treated reliquary. He suggesed that those be used. Remains to be seen if any will.

[annalex]

Carbon dating is probalby the least interesting thing about the Shroud. I’d like someone to explain how the image got on it in the first place, given the microscopic nature of the image on the fibers of the shroud, and its photographic proportions, inconsistent with the idea of a body being wrapped.