Posted on 12/15/2008 12:20:45 PM PST by STD
Let's not insult the real prophets who lived in fear of losing their lives if their words proved wrong.
What these folks are doing is guessing, pure and simple. As Woody Allen would say, "It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham."
"Sham prophecies" for short.
Try to stick to the Bible. That should make it short and sweet.
As you may have been told already (don’t know, didn’t read the whole thread), you need to be careful here how you take “day” in Scripture.
No one knows the day or the hour - in this context, the term “day” is our usual 24 hour period.
The day that Noah entered the ark - in this context, the term “day” is to be understood as meaning our usual day, but that “day” is in the middle of an indeterminate amount of time. The exact “day” is impossible to determine, as before in the same verse it says “in the days of Noah”, meaning in the age of Noah. An indeterminate period of time, as in an “age”. eg. “In the days of Bush”.
In all these phrases we can see that it isn’t a specific date referenced, rather a period of time that isn’t defined by a specific amount of hours.
Why must this be the correct exegetical approach?
Because if not, then the passage that states, “No one knows the day or the hour, but my Father in heaven” would have to mean that the Father only had an idea of when his Son would return, and not an actual day in mind. (In other words, the reverse of the exegetical treatment above).
That would be the only way to make the passage “On the day Noah entered the Ark” mean a specific day; to switch the literal with the allegorical in the two passages in question would be to directly contradict not only Matt 24:36 but also Mark 13:32 where Jesus repeats the phrase “neither the DAY or the hour”.
He said of THE TEMPLE.
He did NOT say,
of THE TEMPLE
AND
THE PLATFORM IT’S BUILT ON.
100% UNTRUE.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that
Prophecy HAS ceased.
When that which is perfect comes . . . HIS OVERT REIGN . . .
LOTS of things will be done away with.
WHERE does this preterist REPLACEMENTARIAN proclivity to throw buckets of rocks at END TIMES SCRIPTURES come from? It certainly does NOT come from the Word of God.
All it said was “BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE.”
A crummy commercial!
Can't count the number of people I hear this from...
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
Who was it that taught you NOT to look for the return of Jesus???
You missed my point. I never said not to look for the return of Jesus. I used to listen to a lot of religious radio until I realized how much air time and emphasis was spent on the Anti-Christ, the Tribulation, etc. People seemed more obsessed with that one subject than learning about all aspects of Christian doctrine and salvation. I guess sensationalism sells more than just newspapers. Most people who ever lived or will ever live will not be present at the moment the 2nd Coming happens. Interesting subject, but why OBSESS over it?
I don't know anyone that's obsessed over it...But keeping it in the forefront of your Christianity keeps you prepared, as the Scripture warns...
Ok, I’ll bite. Lets see the research on the 23 year period.
JB
LOL, now that is an excellent point!
JB
But keeping it in the forefront of your Christianity keeps you prepared, as the Scripture warns...
Excellent point. I believe that if more Christians kept this Truth in the forefront of their minds and remembered that Christ is coming for a church/bride without spot, wrinkle or blemish, one that is set apart unto Him, then the church would not be in the state of sin and compromise that we’re in today.
Eph 5:27
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot , or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
KJV
2 Peter 3:12-14
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot , and blameless.
KJV
There are so many disputes over the rapture doctrine pre, post, mid, etc. I remember asking the Lord about the rapture years ago when I was new Christian and the Holy Spirit spoke the parable of the of the ten virgins to my heart, as saying, “always be prepared & ready and you will never miss it. Be wise, always looking to me.” As we draw near to Him He will make us ready and fill us with the oil of His Spirit. The same is true with His coming. If we keep our eyes fixed upon Him, He will make us ready, and make known to us His times and seasons. I believe there is an urgency in His followers that the time is near and that it is time to prepare our vessels and receive His harvest.
Matt 25:1-13
25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins , which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
KJV
Is not the west wall part of the temple?
"In Christ I stand all other ground is sinking sand"
Excellent point. I believe that if more Christians kept this Truth in the forefront of their minds and remembered that Christ is coming for a church/bride without spot, wrinkle or blemish, one that is set apart unto Him, then the church would not be in the state of sin and compromise that we’re in today.
Agape Love to All of You Sisters and Brothers in Jesus
No longer was there any exclusive official office in the Judeo-Christian family for a "Prophet" as there had been for the Jewish leaders of Israel and Judah. No mortal man will be "the Prophet" holding the office as the sloe prophet leading the way.
INDEED.
Part of the hill—platform built up to build the TEMPLE ON.
Is all of the mountain part of NORAD?
Is the bedrock under the towers part of Golden Gate Bridge?
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