What's the Matter With Rick Warren?

The Nation ^ | December 17, 2008 | Sarah Posner

[hunter112]

I can tell you this, over on DU, the libs are absolutely incensed by this. I've seen some of them say the most unkind things about Obama, and nobody steps in to say they've gone over the line. There's still a lot of smarting over there about Prop 8, which Warren openly backed, and the fact that African-Americans pushed it over the top on their way to annoint the Messiah.

Zero's proved that he is willing to PO at least some of the people who elected him, his choices for secretaries of State and Defense didn't please the far left. The clown's not even in office yet, and there are already major splinters starting with his adoring masses. We need to exploit them as they arise. Writing letters to websites decrying the presence of Warren is a good way to let the moonbats think they're right about this!

[utahagen]

Swearing-in Obama is different than saying publicly that you'll pray for him or inviting him to your church. RW’s heart is in the right place, but this is perhaps the one thing he should not do for Obama. You are right that swearing-in Obama is not “an official endorsement of ever policy Obama holds”. However, it is at least a statement that there are no Obama policies that are beyond the pale, which is not the case. Fighting for the objective right to allow unborn babies to die outside the womb without basic care is beyond the pale. That is what Obama did and until Obama repents, RW should not sewar him in. Have dinner with him? Yes. Invite him to his church? Yes. Swear him in? No.

[Theo]

We love trashing people, don’t we. We live for it. Kick ‘em when they’re up; kick ‘em when they’re down. Hate people, judge people, etc. Except we only judge famous people — God doesn’t discourage that, does He?

[MHGinTN]

Rick Warren knows Obama worked to protect the murderous killing method known as induced labor abortion. [If you need to have that explained, I’ll give the explanation of the heinous act and his legislative work to protect it.] Such service to demonic works is the mark of a wicked man. If Rick Warren cannot spiritually discwern such a twisted wickedness he is no longer or never was ‘in the Spirit’. And if anyone were to confront Warren with this reality, he would make excuses for his behavior, which would further nail down his spiritual disaster.

[dandiegirl]

You are right. He just can’t give up the publicity. This is a huge problem in our society now. People will knowingly do the wrong thing and not stand up for what is lawful and good in order to get adoration from the public and the press.

[utahagen]

The moonbats happen to be right about this. (Even a broken clock is right twice a day.) Obama either thinks unborn babies are expendable, or he doesn't; he either thinks men can marry men, or he doesn't. These issue are important enough for people on both sides to demand Obama not be sworn in by someone who opposes his own views.

[delacoert]

Wow. I wanted to send Warren a message telling him that he was anathema for even the slightest taint of association with Obama’s baby killer politics, but I can't readily find a contact email on anything to with Warren.

[2ndDivisionVet]

info@saddleback.net

[delacoert]

Thank you.

I sent an anathema message.

[tajgirvan]

I think Warren just wanted to be the only evangelical Christian in a crowd of 2 million people.

You may very well be right.

[fwdude]

I think RW should say that he wishes Obama the best, but that he cannot endorse (via swearing-in) a President who supports executing unborn children.

Don't forget about the already born one - he supports executing those, too.

[dbz77]

East/West coast liberals continue to amaze me with their ignorance about how the overwhelming majority of the country’s Democrats feel about homosexual marriage.

It should be obvious with the lopsided margins that bans on homosexual marriage were passed in Ohio and Nevada.

[BooBoo1000]

I don't think Rick, gives a hoot about the publicity, ( he has refused to televise his Sunday Services) and I don't think he is greedy, ( he has given back to his church all salaries he has been paid) he accepts no speaking fees. What I do believe is that he sees a chance to speak to a lot of people, and put forth the ideas that have made his so successful. He will be bible based. The Bible says “even though I may have much, and have done much, without love I am bankrupt”. This will be the main theme of his prayer, to reach out to everyone, sinners saints and even the low life Democrats.

[utahagen]

I never said Rick Warren shouldn't pray for Obama. (We should all pray for Obama.) But the time has come for people to say, “I cannot seem in anyway to endorse any politician who supports abortion rights.” If someone of Rick Warren's stature were to decline to swear-in Obama, but pledge to pray that God will change Obama’s heart on abortion, that would be a powerful statement. I respect Rick Warren, but I think he's making a mistake here.

[Colonel_Flagg]

Rick Warren has been friendly with Obama since inviting him to Saddleback for his World AIDS Day forum in 2006. At that time he was excoriated by conservatives for making the invitation due to Obama’s position on abortion, but never rescinded the invitation. In fact, he defended it.

Read up on Warren’s PEACE plan, understand that the “Purpose-Driven” series is an ascriptural piece of psycho-speak and realize that this individual’s association with Obama goes back much farther than the recent election. If you can still respect Warren then, certainly no other words will change your mind.

He doesn’t deserve the respect of conservatives. You’re quite right to say that he should make a statement — but his past history with Obama indicates he would not do such a thing. He has a history of defending his association with Barack Obama, not repudiating it.

By this tacit endorsement of the policy of mass murder, as well as the Scriptural error that is replete in Warren’s writing, he has certainly lost mine.