[GonzoII]

"like Louis Pasteur"

Thanks for that long-lasting cheese, Louis!

[GonzoII]

Ping.

[ChetNavVet]

When confronted by irifutable and non - nonconformational fact, the church had to accessise to science, this has been done for at least the last 2 or 3 hundredd years, back in the old days the Church put on house arrest Galilieo, one guy. No The Catholic church is no favorite of mine, but I think they learned thier lesson.
But No, I reject the authors claim, The church was used as a litmus test, And that test rejected a whole heaping amount of knowledge, lots of western Civ from the Greeks and others went Bye Bye thanks to the Catholic church, They did have an agenda, it was based upon doctrine, later it would be challanged, many times, in the end nowadays the Catholics want you to know they’re hip. I don’t buy it at all.
I got nothing against catholic persons except the church has done away with more goofy rules in the last 40 to 400 years than you can shake a stick at. I mean really, dose God care what I eat? and when? Stupid, no wonder thay flow with the wind. I say stick to the word, but what do I know?

[equaviator]

The catholic church did not build the USA. That’s more important, I think. Not to single out the catholic church by any means.

[ChessExpert]

I read this book and can recommend it. It's been several months. When I read it, I could see that it was well researched and carefully argued.

I wondered about the reference to Catholicism as opposed to Christianity. Some of this can be explained by the fact that the early history of Christianity preceded the Catholic/Protestant split. Much of the history he recounts is part of a heritage that is common to both Catholics and Protestants. It may be that after the split, Catholics maintained a more hierarchical order and perhaps more universities and hospitals, and was perhaps easier to document and track. The author is also Catholic.

I think it is an excellent book. It wouldn't have been difficult for him to have presented it as “How Christianity Built Western Civilization,” and I wish he had done so. Still, no one should feel snubbed. I think we can all learn form this book.

[narses]

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[briarbey b]

Religious followers of religious institutions and denominations are to these systems like the American people are to this government system. Mere cattle. Work..work..work...give..give..give as much as they can get from you and what do they give back????

NOTHING!! You can have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness without being financially raped by either one of them. They both build their kingdoms on the backs of men for their own good.

Genuine FAITH and trust in God has NOTHING to do with either!! Examine the FRUIT of both...it is rotten to the core. I personally feel as much anger as Christ did when he beat the money changers out of the temple!!

[PGalt]

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http://www.catholiccitizens.org/platform/platformview.asp?c=40974

Interesting thread GonzoII. Thanks for posting.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Well, an interesting thread...albeit it continues to deteriorate into the Catholic vs protestant diatribes.