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To: Kolokotronis

All you are doing is repeating what your church taught you...You can’t respond to plain scripture???


54 posted on 12/28/2008 10:12:17 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; vladimir998; big'ol_freeper

“All you are doing is repeating what your church taught you...You can’t respond to plain scripture???”

I, of course that’s what I am saying. The only reason you read what you read for scripture, except for a few amendments made by Luther, is because “my church” decided that’s what you’d read. The only scripture is what The Church says is scripture and it only means what The Church says it means. And The Church made those decisions by measuring what was passing for scripture 1700 years ago against what The Church then and now believes. Its really that simple, I. Reading scripture outside the context and guidance of The Church is a hit or miss proposition and given the fallen state of the world, more likely to be miss than hit.

For example, you have doubtless heard of that woman who was elected heresiarch in chief of the Episcopal Church. Her agitation for gay marriage and sermonizing that Christ is only “one of the ways” to God are she insists, biblically based and that although her interpretations of scripture are innovative, unheard of in 2000 years of Christianity, nevertheless “the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing” and has guided her organization to become a “prophetic voice” in the modern world. This is where reading scripture without reference to what The Church believes inevitably leads... to error and spiritual death.


56 posted on 12/29/2008 4:46:43 AM PST by Kolokotronis ( Christ is Born! Glorify Him!)
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To: Iscool
I do not have a lot of time to post, but the Real Presence is a tough one for non-Catholics, understandably- it seems like cannibalism. But hey, Catholics don't make this stuff up- we just try to do what Jesus told us to.

In terms of biblical references, there are many, starting back in the OT- from the Pascal Lamb/Passover in Egypt and the manna in Exodus; a few more elsewhere that escape me right now.

The tough passage is John Chapter 6, roughly verse 35 to the end of the chapter. Jesus said “unless you eat my body and drink my blood you cannot have life within you”. Jesus let many disciples walk away; even asked Peter “will you leave also?”...

Pretty strong stuff. Jesus was pretty clear, as he said the same thing several times.

Luke 22:19 is the Last Supper; where Jesus gives Himself to the apostles under the form of bread and wine, and tells them to do likewise. It's in the other gospels also.

Catholics believe that Jesus loves us so much that He wanted to remain with us until the end of the world. He would have remained suspended on that cross to stay with us, but would have then been limited to one dark corner of the planet. In the Eucharist, He is where we are, all over the world. Reminds one of the multiplication of the loaves and fish, another prophecy of the Eucharist.

59 posted on 12/29/2008 1:46:33 PM PST by shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
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