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Vatican confirms that Pelosi will have audience with the Pope [The Rest of the Story]
Catholic News Agency ^ | 2/16/09

Posted on 02/17/2009 9:09:38 AM PST by Antoninus

The press office made clear that the Pope will meet with Pelosi in his capacity as a head of state since the Speaker of the House is the third in line to lead the U.S., should the president and vice president be unable to do so.

The idea of providing Pelosi with a photo-op has disturbed a significant number of U.S. Catholics and pro-life activists...

Over this past weekend pro-life activists and bloggers launched verbal salvos against the Vatican because they believe that the Holy See plans to present Nancy Pelosi with an award.

This is definitely not true, the Vatican’s press office told CNA. The idea that Pelosi would be awarded by the Vatican most likely is the result of activists confusing the visit to the Vatican with the Speaker of the House being awarded by a group of Italian legislators for being the first Italian American to reach such a high rank in the U.S. government.


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 111th; catholic; catholicpoliticians; papacy; pelosi; vatican
This bit didn't make it into the other thread that's currently making the rounds.

I'm posting it because the other post, by leaving this out, is misleading.

1 posted on 02/17/2009 9:09:38 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus

ah, so the Holy Father only plans to meet her as a head of state

as he would similarly meet with, say, child murderers and cannibals like former “national leaders” Idi Amin and Emperor Bokassa


2 posted on 02/17/2009 9:13:23 AM PST by silverleaf ("Men are not angered by mere misfortune but by misfortune conceived as injury" - Screwtape)
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To: Antoninus
I would hope that the Pope would award the witch with a certificate of excommunication.
3 posted on 02/17/2009 9:14:18 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Antoninus

I just hope his Eminence remembers to stay out of striking range and that she can unhinge her jaw to swallow prey nearly twice her size.


4 posted on 02/17/2009 9:15:42 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Antoninus

5 posted on 02/17/2009 9:16:08 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Antoninus

doesn’t surprise me one bit. The Pope and other leaders of the Catholic Church are all not what I would want leading me.


6 posted on 02/17/2009 9:16:14 AM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: Farmer Dean
I would hope that the Pope would award the witch with a certificate of excommunication.

Better yet,throw some holy water on her and we'll be done with her for good!
7 posted on 02/17/2009 9:16:19 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("No pale pastels,but bold colors".....Ronnie,we sure do miss you,sir!)
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To: Antoninus

I am holding out hope that he will perform an exorcism on her.

(Or at least publically chastise her.)

I know he has to tread carefully on things political (for example wishy-washy nicey with arabs is necessary to save Christians in arba lands), but she is so foul she needs someone to knock her around.


8 posted on 02/17/2009 9:16:44 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: silverleaf
"ah, so the Holy Father only plans to meet her as a head of state as he would similarly meet with, say, child murderers and cannibals like former “national leaders” Idi Amin and Emperor Bokassa "

Why don't you wait until AFTER the meeting to pass judgment, or is taking another cheap shot at the Pope just too tempting?

9 posted on 02/17/2009 9:16:46 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: gimme1ibertee

“Better yet,throw some holy water on her and we’ll be done with her for good!”

Pretty sure even just plain water would make her melt.


10 posted on 02/17/2009 9:17:53 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Antoninus

... So SHE can tell HIM when life begins so he can straighten out all those “anti-abortionists”.


11 posted on 02/17/2009 9:19:12 AM PST by Mr. Jazzy (No greater friend, no worse enemy -The United States Marine Corps.)
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To: Antoninus
Poor Holy Father.

He gets put upon by all these shysters who come calling, looking to add some faux gravitas to their sordid agendas by way of a photo op.

Pelosi has no shame. Knowing the Church's position on abortion and other moral issues and the Pope's previous admonitions to politicians, you'd think she'd just keep away and go elsewhere to do her gladhanding.

Gag!

12 posted on 02/17/2009 9:19:42 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Natural Law

just TOO tempting

and my shots do not come cheap......

waiting for the photo ops of Nancy with her lace mantilla, basking in the Pope’s radiance to further enhance her own “importance” and bolster her street creds to speak as a “catholic”


13 posted on 02/17/2009 9:21:04 AM PST by silverleaf ("Men are not angered by mere misfortune but by misfortune conceived as injury" - Screwtape)
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To: marshmallow

I could not have said it better


14 posted on 02/17/2009 9:21:50 AM PST by silverleaf ("Men are not angered by mere misfortune but by misfortune conceived as injury" - Screwtape)
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To: Antoninus
Will she bring a bag of feces, and a gay chaperon?
15 posted on 02/17/2009 9:22:12 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: stockpirate
doesn’t surprise me one bit. The Pope and other leaders of the Catholic Church are all not what I would want leading me.

Of course not, because you are prejudiced against them.

Why not wait and see what comes of this before criticizing?
16 posted on 02/17/2009 9:23:03 AM PST by Antoninus (License is the ability to do whatever you want. Freedom is the right to do as you ought.)
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To: stockpirate
The Pope and other leaders of the Catholic Church are all not what I would want leading me.

Too good for you, eh?

That's a stunning admission.

17 posted on 02/17/2009 9:23:45 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Better have a fire extinguisher handy.
18 posted on 02/17/2009 9:24:30 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: marshmallow
Pelosi has no shame. Knowing the Church's position on abortion and other moral issues and the Pope's previous admonitions to politicians, you'd think she'd just keep away and go elsewhere to do her gladhanding.

Of course she has no shame. This is her way of sticking it to him and to the rest of us.

I pray she is confounded in her wickedness.

All those criticizing the Pope on this issue should be praying for him instead.
19 posted on 02/17/2009 9:25:43 AM PST by Antoninus (License is the ability to do whatever you want. Freedom is the right to do as you ought.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
On the other hand, the Bishops are VERY vocal and all over the board on things political.

I know he has to tread carefully on things political

20 posted on 02/17/2009 9:26:06 AM PST by DManA
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To: gimme1ibertee
Better yet,throw some holy water on her and we'll be done with her for good!

AAAAAUUUUGGGGHHHHH!! I'm melting!!!

21 posted on 02/17/2009 9:28:19 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Petronski

I don’t understand the issues some people have with the Pope. I’m not even Catholic and even I know that Popes meet with all sorts of distasteful individuals and have for as long as I can remember.

I wasn’t thrilled with Robert Mugabe sitting his evil butt in the front row for John Paul’s funeral but the Vatican wasn’t going to kick him out and make a scene. For the most part they try to remain above politics and politicization of Vatican dealings is something we do, not them.


22 posted on 02/17/2009 9:30:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Antoninus

I am just mad because he’s being used as a photo op by this callous witch.

He’s meeting her as a head of state, which is just and correct, as she is a head of state. He’s had to meet worse, I’m sure.

But, for selfish purposes of the USA, I hope he publically makes it clear that he disapproves of her and her policies. Unlike when dealing with Arabs, where harsh words would get people killed, she’d a weak politician.

He could cow her.


23 posted on 02/17/2009 9:33:08 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Antoninus
He meets with her as Tubular Bells plays in the background
24 posted on 02/17/2009 9:45:20 AM PST by sticker
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To: All
Yes, he meets with heads of state, but that doesn't mean a Pope can't lay down the law. Remember the leftist priest smackdown in Nicaragua?:


25 posted on 02/17/2009 9:47:50 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: MeanWestTexan
I hope he publically makes it clear that he disapproves of her and her policies

Me, too! I'm just afraid if he doesn't make a public statement, she'll utterly distort the meeting and -- of course! -- the media will splash her version all over. But, I guess, if I know that, the Pope does too!

26 posted on 02/17/2009 9:51:22 AM PST by maryz
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To: MeanWestTexan

It’s not selfish to hope for the thwarting of the baby butchery crowd! I think it’s a little weird that she has this meeting with the Pope right after she opened her yap again about life issues... it’s ‘probly stupid conspiracy stuff but I wonder how long this Italian politician meeting has been on her Speakerness’s agenda.


27 posted on 02/17/2009 9:53:59 AM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Antoninus
This is not the first time the Pope has done strange things. What's going on? I thought the head of the church should have strong convictions and adhere to gospel principals as was given by God.
28 posted on 02/17/2009 9:57:29 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: silverleaf
The Pope only cares about political and religious P O W E R and gaining more, by associating with/influencing those who have it. Pelosi is a disgrace; she supports every kind of abortion imaginable including sucking the brains out of children 7/8ths of the way out of the birth canal. Pelosi is directly responsible for the disgraceful abortion policy of the American government and she willfully, vocally, politically has and is doing everything within her power to see that it continues and flourishes. The blood of millions are upon her hands. The Pope, knows ALL OF THIS and rather than vocally condemning, excommunicating her and holding her accountable as a "Roman Catholic" he shows his true colors and motives and chooses instead to meet with her.

If he were a genuine man of God, and not a religious charlatan he would be bringing down the hammer upon her and her wickedness. But like I said; his actions speak louder than words, all he cares about is P O W E R and associating with those who have it. That is exactly what this audience with her is all about. Interestingly enough, this is the exact same stand Rome took regarding Democratic politicians who were actively participating in and condoning all kinds of wickedness prior to the last election. Rather than vocally condemning them, refusing them communion and excommunicating them and holding them spiritually accountable as a "Roman Catholics" Rome showed its true colors and motives and chooses instead to give them all a pass.

The pope may decry abortion, etc…, but when the rubber meets the road, talk is cheep.

Remember, it is all about P O W E R, money and influence. That is the reason why he is meeting with Pelosi... she is politically powerful and influential.

29 posted on 02/17/2009 10:09:14 AM PST by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: marshmallow

Please, your assessment is ridiculous and ludicrous. The “pope” is not some weak, addled brained adolescent who is totally incompetent, being taken advantage of and mislead. He knows exactly who and what Pelosi is but instead of roundly condemning her and excommunicating her he is meeting with her anyway because it is all about P O W E R and associating with those who have it.


30 posted on 02/17/2009 10:14:39 AM PST by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: sticker

Mike Oldfield’s Tubular Bells is a beautiful piece of music. I’ve never seen the Exorcist, but I’ll tell you, I had Tubular Bells on 8-Track when I was a teenager and listened to it all the time. In fact, it is now stored on my phone as a potential ringtone, albeit not active at the moment.

It may be impossible to hear it and not think about the movie, but I heard the music without seeing its use in context and that has made all the difference.


31 posted on 02/17/2009 10:20:14 AM PST by OriginalChristian (If you can't get Life right, nothing else you think or say matters....)
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To: Jmouse007
Please, your assessment is ridiculous and ludicrous. The “pope” is not some weak, addled brained adolescent who is totally incompetent, being taken advantage of and mislead. He knows exactly who and what Pelosi is but instead of roundly condemning her and excommunicating her he is meeting with her anyway because it is all about P O W E R and associating with those who have it.

The Church is not usually inclined to turn away those who come knocking at its door, even if they are Pharisees whose intentions are less than honorable.

Jesus himself ate with tax collectors and prostitutes and debated with the Pharisees on a number of occasions.

The Pope is a courteous, humble man who usually offers hospitality to those who request a hearing.

32 posted on 02/17/2009 10:48:20 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

“Jesus himself ate with tax collectors and prostitutes and debated with the Pharisees on a number of occasions.

The Pope is a courteous, humble man who usually offers hospitality to those who request a hearing.”

Thank you. Those who criticize the Pope for not adhering to Gospel values do not seem to understand the Gospels very well. Yes, Jesus did eat with many that he disagreed with. As my favorite priest always says, “the church is not a shrine for the saints, it is a hospital for the sinners.”


33 posted on 02/17/2009 11:09:03 AM PST by ga medic
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To: cripplecreek
I just hope his Eminence (sic)

His Holiness

34 posted on 02/17/2009 12:11:37 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

LOL told you I wasn’t Catholic. At least I didn’t say “Highness”.


35 posted on 02/17/2009 12:12:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Antoninus

I’m still waiting for them to actually do something about allowing pro-abortion leaders to take communion, or even be in the church for that matter, you know like Teddy.


36 posted on 02/17/2009 12:30:34 PM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: Jmouse007

Since you obviously are omniscient, tell us what sentence was meted out to you during your particular judgment for all of the bearing of false witness you engage in.


37 posted on 02/17/2009 12:44:32 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: TornadoAlley3

If this is what she wore, she is not dressed properly to see the Pope.

In black with something over her head.

There was a beautiful picture of Laura Bush when they visited the Pope.


38 posted on 02/17/2009 2:35:32 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

39 posted on 02/17/2009 2:43:09 PM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Antoninus

40 posted on 02/17/2009 6:32:33 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: ga medic

Perhaps the Pope will reach out to her and through the power of The Resurrection, save her. Like Esther, maybe this is why he is empowered. That being said, I am not a fan of The Pope, only of Christ himself.


41 posted on 02/18/2009 3:40:46 AM PST by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I know he has to tread carefully on things political (for example wishy-washy nicey with arabs is necessary to save Christians in arba lands), but she is so foul she needs someone to knock her around.

You guys believe everything the Vatican tells you??? So that's why your pope is going to go out of his way from his trek to Israel to visit the largest mosque in Jordan??? To save Catholics in Jordan???

42 posted on 02/18/2009 7:23:31 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

? I’m Jewish.


43 posted on 02/18/2009 8:01:25 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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