As I said, when a prophecy is given, it doesn’t just “happen” without precursor events leading up to the *actual prophetic event* itself. So, we see the “precursor events” for what will “actually take place” inside the Tribulation. But the fundamental problem with the theory still remains, you have no way of identifying these alleged “precursor events” with any degree of certainty. So, as I said before, you can never really know whether it is Thanksgiving approaching or the 4th of July. SO what's the point? There is none. All you are left with is the certainty of speculation.
[Again, I'm only assuming the futurist framework for discussion purposes. In reality I do not believe there is any biblical evidence for a future national Israel, temple, sacrifices, “antichrist in the holy place”, etc.]
An example of this is, very simply, the stopping of the sacrifice and the Antichrist in the Holy Place, in the Temple. That would be the “prophetic event”. Now, what are the “precursor events” — to that? Well, one would be, you have to have Israel there, in order to have Israel build a Temple.
But again, you cannot tell for sure that this Israel and (if ever built) this temple is THE Israel and temple of futurist antichrist fame. You have no way of knowing. So, even if you see these things (or think you see them) it could merely be self-deception on your part.
And that’s what we see right now, an organization that has taken on the responsibility of doing all that is necessary
So what? Prove the prophetic significance of these particular events. You can't.
ABSURDITY springs forth on the monitor yet again!
". . . you cannot tell for sure
that this Israel
and (if ever built)
this temple
is THE Israel
and temple
of futurist
antichrist fame.
You have no way of knowing.
So, even if you see
these things
(or think you see them)
it could merely be
self-deception
on your part.
[Stifling GOITTM—Guffaws Of Incredulity To The Max]
Sometimes I get the impression that some naysaying Calvinists’ hands detach themselves and float over to the keyboard while the individuals are utterly comatose in the deepest sleep. It’s hard to explain the absurdity of some of some of these word combinations, otherwise.
". . . you cannot tell for sure
[Obvious projection, here]
that this Israel
[Oh, My! Yes!
OF COURSE!
I was forgetting
About the Israel
Hiding under the Mayan ruins
Oh, and the other one
Hiding under Ankor Wat
Right, and the 3rd one under
The Forbidden City in Beijing!
And didn’t they find a 4th one
In one of those gold mines
In South Africa?
Of course, all those duplicate
Mt’s Of Olives
Scheduled to split
Zech 14:4
With half the mountain
Moving South and half moving North
Was no doubt quite tricky to duplicate
In all those duplicate Israels.
Oh, RIGHT! Nero or some such
Arranged all that
With Stargate SG-1 help in 70AD
It just takes special Calvinist glasses
And special Calvinist faith
To SEE the resulting huge valley
That formed from the
Purely spiritual, very brief
Thief-in-the-night visit of
Christ’s disembodied sandals touching
That Mount of Olives
--the one in the authentic
Holy Land—between the Red Sea
And Turkey.
and (if ever built)
Ahhhhhh yes! Calvinists have arranged
For ALMIGHTY
NEVER CHANGING
NEVER LYING
UTTERLY FAITHFUL
NO JOT OR TITTLE CHANGING
ALMIGHTY GOD
To begin to FORGET
HIS PROMISES
AND HIS UNCHANGING WORD!
Soooooooooooo
Clever of them!
[that] this temple
is THE Israel
and temple
of futurist
antichrist fame.
Oh, of course!
How could Bible Believing
CHRISTIANS be so silly!
Why one of them must be
OThuga’s Temple that he’s
Hiding under the Masonic
Denver Airport!
And another such Temple
Must be the one Puhlousey’s
Hiding under that gay bathhouse
Hidden under that hill just
Just North of the Golden Gate Bridge.
And no doubt, the other one’s
The one Harry Reid has hidden
Under that Casino in Las Vegas.
You have no way of knowing.
Yeah, I suppose
If folks couldn’t
READ THE WORD OF GOD
Or hear the still small voice of Holy Spirit
Or BELIEVE GOD!
Or TRUST GOD!
Or WALK BY FAITH IN GOD!
Or compare Bible Prophecy
With newspaper headlines!
AND IF they all had lobotomies
It COULD theoretically be
Slightly difficult to tell.
So, even if you see
these things
(or think you see them)
Is this some weird application
Of that verse about
“walking by faith, not by sight?”
Or is this Bible reading
In Alice’s rabbit hole?
Oh, I get it! . . .
If Believers READ THE BIBLE
And THINK IT’S TRUE
They have to realize
That everything in Scripture
Is not what it seems to be.[/sar]
it could merely be
self-deception
on your part.
I think I have to concede
The paragon Olympic class
Expertise demonstrated
Regarding ‘self-deception.’
Honor to whom honor is due!
So, even if you see these things (or think you see them) it could merely be self-deception on your part.How does any believer know anything is veritable?
Through faith alone in Christ alone.
Obviously the AntiChrist was not the person referenced in Jerusalem in 70 AD, when soldiers removed every stone from atop another. Surely nobody here would consider such a thing as fulfilling that prophecy, do they?