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If Paulís Epistle to the Galatians was Published in Christianity Today
The Sacred Sandwich ^ | 20 February 2009

Posted on 03/12/2009 1:52:23 PM PDT by colorcountry

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

Dear Christianity Today:

In response to Paul D. Apostle’s article about the Galatian church in your January issue, I have to say how appalled I am by the unchristian tone of this hit piece. Why the negativity? Has he been to the Galatian church recently? I happen to know some of the people at that church, and they are the most loving, caring people I’ve ever met.

Phyllis Snodgrass; Ann Arbor, MI

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Dear Editor:

How arrogant of Mr. Apostle to think he has the right to judge these people and label them accursed. Isn’t that God’s job? Regardless of this circumcision issue, these Galatians believe in Jesus just as much as he does, and it is very Pharisaical to condemn them just because they differ on such a secondary issue. Personally, I don’t want a sharp instrument anywhere near my zipper, but that doesn’t give me the right to judge how someone else follows Christ. Can’t we just focus on our common commitment to Christ and furthering His kingdom, instead of tearing down fellow believers over petty doctrinal matters?

Ed Bilgeway; Tonganoxie, KS

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Dear CT:

I’ve seen other dubious articles by Paul Apostle in the past, and frankly I’m surprised you felt that his recurrent criticisms of the Church deserved to be printed in your magazine. Mr. Apostle for many years now has had a penchant for thinking he has a right to “mark” certain Christian teachers who don’t agree with his biblical position. Certainly I commend him for desiring to stay faithful to God’s word, but I think he errs in being so dogmatic about his views to the point where he feels free to openly attack his brethren. His attitude makes it difficult to fully unify the Church, and gives credence to the opposition’s view that Christians are judgmental, arrogant people who never show God’s love.

Ken Groener; San Diego, CA

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To the Editors:

Paul Apostle says that he hopes the Galatian teachers will cut off their own privates? What kind of Christian attitude is that? Shame on him!

Martha Bobbitt; Boulder, CO

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Dear Christianity Today:

The fact that Paul Apostle brags about his public run-in with Peter Cephas, a well-respected leader and brother in Christ, exposes Mr. Apostle for the divisive figure that he has become in the Church today. His diatribe against the Galatian church is just more of the same misguided focus on an antiquated reliance on doctrine instead of love and tolerance. Just look how his hypercritical attitude has cast aspersions on homosexual believers and women elders! The real problem within the Church today is not the lack of doctrinal devotion, as Apostle seems to believe, but in our inability to be transformed by our individual journeys in the Spirit. Evidently, Apostle has failed to detach himself from his legalistic background as a Pharisee, and is unable to let go and experience the genuine love for Christ that is coming from the Galatians who strive to worship God in their own special way.

William Zenby; Richmond, VA

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Kind Editors:

I happen to be a member of First Christian Church of Galatia, and I take issue with Mr. Apostle’s article. How can he criticize a ministry that has been so blessed by God? Our church has baptized many new members and has made huge in-roads in the Jewish community with our pragmatic view on circumcision. Such a “seeker-sensitive” approach has given the Jews the respect they deserve for being God’s chosen people for thousands of years. In addition, every Gentile in our midst has felt honored to engage in the many edifying rituals of the Hebrew heritage, including circumcision, without losing their passion for Jesus. My advice to Mr. Apostle is to stick to spreading the gospel message of Christ’s unconditional love, and quit criticizing what God is clearly blessing in other churches.

Miriam “Betty” Ben-Hur; Galatia, Turkey

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EDITOR’S NOTE: Christianity Today apologizes for our rash decision in publishing Paul Apostle’s exposé of the Galatian church. Had we known the extent in which our readership and advertisers would withdraw their financial support, we never would have printed such unpopular biblical truth. We regret any damage we may have caused in propagating the doctrines of Christ.


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Does any of this sound familiar on this Religion Forum? I, for one, think it does.
1 posted on 03/12/2009 1:52:23 PM PDT by colorcountry
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To: greyfoxx39; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; Greg F; ...

Ping to the list.


2 posted on 03/12/2009 1:55:49 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: colorcountry

First of all, CT wouldn’t publish it.


3 posted on 03/12/2009 1:56:21 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: colorcountry
Martha Bobbitt

ROFL!!!!!!!

4 posted on 03/12/2009 1:57:39 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: colorcountry

UnChristianity Today would not touch that


5 posted on 03/12/2009 1:58:36 PM PDT by GeronL (....and I won't let it happen again!)
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To: colorcountry

Paging Rick Warren...


6 posted on 03/12/2009 1:59:32 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now.)
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To: colorcountry

Oh, yea!


7 posted on 03/12/2009 2:04:10 PM PDT by svcw
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To: Dr. Thorne

He wouldn’t get it ... don’t bother pinging him.


8 posted on 03/12/2009 2:04:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: colorcountry

This would be funny, if it wasn’t so true. Lord, help us!


9 posted on 03/12/2009 2:09:38 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: colorcountry

LOL - this will go viral among ministers..


10 posted on 03/12/2009 2:30:35 PM PDT by GOPJ (CEO:Chief Embezzlement Officer- CFO:Corporate Fraud Officer-CASH FLOW: money down the toilet.)
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To: BibChr

If Romans was published you would see comments like this:

“What kind of a God arbitrarily shows mercy on some but not everyone? Doesn’t Mr. Apostle know God has given us free will?” blah, blah, blah


11 posted on 03/12/2009 3:00:43 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (Only the Holy Spirit can fix stupid.)
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To: Augustinian monk

Excellent! Romans 9. That would get a rise out of most of the posters here on FR.


12 posted on 03/12/2009 3:07:55 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: GOPJ
LOL - this will go viral among ministers..

I just sent it off!

13 posted on 03/12/2009 3:11:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
Don't need to take it all the way to the modern age. This is what Thomas Jefferson had to say about Paul/Saul of Tarsus a couple hundred years ago.

“Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.” -Thomas Jefferson

14 posted on 03/12/2009 3:12:31 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Dutchboy88

You’ll not get a rise outta me! Romans 9 is wonderful. It makes it even more wonderful that God chose me, and not I that chose Him. He alone has the power, the glory and the honor - !


15 posted on 03/12/2009 3:19:07 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Augustinian monk

I think you meant, “why God arb. shows mercy on Jacob, who emobdies the Jewish children of the flesh, but not Esau, who embodies the Jewish children of promise.”


16 posted on 03/12/2009 3:19:13 PM PDT by Jimbo7x7
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To: allmendream

Too bad such a good man was so sorely mistaken.


17 posted on 03/12/2009 3:20:15 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: colorcountry

Indeed. Too smart by half is the expression that comes to mind.


18 posted on 03/12/2009 3:21:40 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Elsie

I’m sending it to my pastor. Course, he’s probably already seen it.


19 posted on 03/12/2009 3:22:27 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Augustinian monk

Woops, got my mords wixed up:

Revised:
I think you meant, “why God arb. shows mercy on Jacob, who emobdies the Jewish children of promise, but not Esau, who embodies the Jewish children of the flesh.”


20 posted on 03/12/2009 3:28:36 PM PDT by Jimbo7x7
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To: colorcountry

Let me invite you to choose him since he had already chosen you.


21 posted on 03/12/2009 3:45:01 PM PDT by Jimbo7x7
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To: Jimbo7x7

Been there. He already did it all, and I accepted.


22 posted on 03/12/2009 3:48:52 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Jimbo7x7
I think you meant, “why God arb. shows mercy on Jacob, who embodies the Jewish children of promise, but not Esau, who embodies the Jewish children of the flesh.”

Careful. You'll get "certain parties" on FR all riled up at you.

23 posted on 03/12/2009 4:33:53 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (2)How many things are necessary for thee to know,..? the first, how great my sins and miseries are;)
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To: colorcountry

Amen, amen, and amen. Laid hold of before the foundation of the world, and now not clothed in a righteousness of our own, but of His. To Him alone be the glory...


24 posted on 03/12/2009 5:02:06 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: allmendream
“Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.” -Thomas Jefferson

Looks like TOM was a PIKER!!


 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

25 posted on 03/13/2009 2:59:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dutchboy88; Jimbo7x7

I used the word “arbitrary” because thats usually the argument from RC and Arminian folk. Of course nothing is “arbitrary” but God’s will is holy and perfect and sometimes beyond our comprehension.


26 posted on 03/13/2009 6:44:58 AM PDT by Augustinian monk (Only the Holy Spirit can fix stupid.)
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To: Augustinian monk

True. We look upon most events and they only occasionally look like they were the well-oiled gears turning on a perfect plan. Our vision is so clouded, so shrouded. I’m sure Joseph thought that the “arbitrary” nomadic slave traders that hauled him off to Egypt were just coming by “happenstance”. But, then many years later he sees just how carefully God had maneuvered that particular gang of thugs through the desert to the precise hole where he was kept at just the hour his brothers are deliberating about killing him. Abdul and Hashiim decide, “Let’s turn over here to this truck stop and stretch our legs. Hey, what’s this? A kid for sale. Cool.” And the rest is history.

How does He maneuver every man physically, mentally, spiritually? Because His mind is so utterly beyond the universe, so transcendent, so powerful beyond comprehension that He simply wills this stuff and it plays out. What kind of arrogant creatures would believe that our 2 lb. brains could actually be the only things in the universe outside of this influence? Amazing.


27 posted on 03/13/2009 7:17:59 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Augustinian monk

Yeah, I hear you. It is very clear in Romans 9.11 that God’s choice is not arbritary; he clearly is said to have a (definitive) purpose (which accords with his choice of both of the fetuses).

I do not read Romans 9 either Calvinistically nor in an Arminian fashion for they both understood Paul to be speaking primarily of the eternal salvation/damnation of all humankind; it is abundantly clear to me that this is not Paul’s primary point (in Rom 9.6-23).


28 posted on 03/13/2009 8:38:10 AM PDT by Jimbo7x7
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