Posted on 03/18/2009 10:27:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler
You said — “Many post trib people get quite angry about the pre-trib Rapture, and seem determined to suffer, accusing the other side of “escapism.” The scholar you posted, Dr. Reagan, is a proponent of the pre-trib philosophy.”
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It might be good to develop an understanding as to what other views those of the post-trib (or others) hold, in their religious viewpoints, to get a good idea of their overall religious stance. Sometimes you can tell something from that. I don’t mind people knowing my overall religious stance. I think it all fits together fairly well...
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And then you were saying — “Most of the pastors I know are amillennial. They just figure God will handle things and they don’t need to worry about it. They also don’t believe in literal prophecy fulfillment, aside from the Second Coming itself.”
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Well, we could learn something from the history of the development of these various positions and how they’ve shifted over time (like the amillennial position). Also, talking about prophecy fulfillment, one should look at the prophecies of Jesus’ first coming and then ask if they were literally fulfilled, or they were spiritually fulfilled. I would imagine that in the same way that the prophecies of the first coming of Jesus were fulfilled, it should be the same way for the end times, too...
Anyway, that’s what I think.
Here, by the way, is something that addresses the issue of the Rapture being a separate event from the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (at which time He sets up the Kingdom)...
A chart that lists the individual items of the two separate events... (just some church’s chart, nothing too special about it, other than you’ll find similar information elsewhere, too).
http://letjesusloveyou.com/rapture/rap54.html
Another similar one...
http://www.bibleprophesy.org/15differences.htm
A Thomas Ice Article...
http://www.im4christ.org/rr/featured/tt10.html
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Also, a problem with saying that the Rapture is at the same time as Jesus’ Second coming when He returns to earth to set up the Kingdom — is — that one *knows exactly when* Jesus comes at that time. It’s exactly 1,260 days after the time when the Antichrist shows himself in the Temple and declares himself to be god... From that moment, you can start counting off the days, all the way until 1,260 days and you’ve got the *exact time* for Christ’s return.
That doesn’t fit with the fact that we won’t know the exact time, according to what the Bible says. So, I think it can’t be post-trib for that one reason there, plus all the other information given at those links...
The Rapture will happen — most definitely — but it’s going to be at an unknown time. How is counting down 1,260 days to the exact day, make it an “unknown time”?
You said — “Could it be that the Amill teaching was effective until about 1948? Did God hide what he was planning until an opportune time? Amill does a fairly good job with imminence.”
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It would pay to make sure that other people really know what we’re talking about... :-)
I’m going to look up an article that I saw earlier about what these terms mean. It was on David Reagan’s website, so, I should be able to find it. I remember one thing he said — and that was when he first started studying these matters, he got turned off real quick (at first) because of all the terminology... LOL...
So, I’m going to see if I can locate that article...
We should have that “antisipation” for sure... :-)
Hey y’all, haven’t seen you around... :-)
Here’s an article about the Rapture (at the top), and then I give y’all (and everyone else) a website link about all things having to do with the Rapture....
Ooops.., I guess I left your name off my response to you — in post #43....
Thanks.
May get to it later today.
Blessings,
Much appreciation for doing this! This subject appears to have a lot of - let's just say 'dissenting' views on this subject and certain freepers love to beat up on those of us who believe in the rapture. The caucus is a great idea to keep it civil and keep the discussion on track. Thanks!
Maybe when Christians ‘die’ they are
instantly transported through ‘time’,
to the rapture, where the dead rise first.
Therefore to be with the Lord for eternity.
In a caucus, no mention is to be made of other beliefs, comparisons, etc. - because, if their beliefs have been presented here, then they have an interest in speaking for themselves.
Also, do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.
Thanks!
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