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To: OPREV; colorcountry
1Ti 2:12 But I permit not a woman .. to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

The immediate context of that passage is behavior at that specific church - not society in general. You are neither her husband or pastor, therefor you cannot claim that authority either. You application of the term woman was in a derogatory manner, completely opposite that used by Christ. You further choose to ignore Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And of course you would want to skip over Paul's writtings in Romans 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer(Prostatis) of many, and of myself also.

Diakonos appears in both masculine and feminine cases in the Greek, depending upon the gender of the one it modifies. In this instance, however, the rule is broken. Diakonos is masculine, even though it refers to a woman. It seems clear that Paul wants to communicate that Phoebe is more than someone who waits on tables. Paul recognizes her as full and respected minister of the Word as, for instance, Timothy or Titus, or even Paul himself.

Prostatis literally means "one who stands in front or before." It is otherwise translated "to set over, to appoint with authority, to lead, protect, govern, preside, superintend, direct, rule, stand before others, set over others." Phoebe was a benefactor because she was in a position of leadership where she could render an authoritative and effective ministry of the Word. In short, Paul commends Phoebe to the Romans because she was a minister — preacher, teacher, pastor — who was in charge (the pastor) "of the church which is at Cenchrea."

Now, if you want to continue to grossly insult a sister in Christ, you will at least know you are out of line.

33 posted on 03/27/2009 2:24:04 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Godzilla
1Ti 2:12 But I permit not a woman .. to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. The immediate context of that passage is behavior at that specific church - not society in general. You are neither her husband or pastor, therefor you cannot claim that authority either. You application of the term woman was in a derogatory manner, completely opposite that used by Christ. You further choose to ignore Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And of course you would want to skip over Paul's writtings in Romans 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea: 2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer(Prostatis) of many, and of myself also. Diakonos appears in both masculine and feminine cases in the Greek, depending upon the gender of the one it modifies. In this instance, however, the rule is broken. Diakonos is masculine, even though it refers to a woman. It seems clear that Paul wants to communicate that Phoebe is more than someone who waits on tables. Paul recognizes her as full and respected minister of the Word as, for instance, Timothy or Titus, or even Paul himself. Prostatis literally means "one who stands in front or before." It is otherwise translated "to set over, to appoint with authority, to lead, protect, govern, preside, superintend, direct, rule, stand before others, set over others." Phoebe was a benefactor because she was in a position of leadership where she could render an authoritative and effective ministry of the Word. In short, Paul commends Phoebe to the Romans because she was a minister — preacher, teacher, pastor — who was in charge (the pastor) "of the church which is at Cenchrea." Now, if you want to continue to grossly insult a sister in Christ, you will at least know you are out of line.

If you want to continue to uphold the arrogance of the woman, be my guest. Try looking at the natural order God made. You see women in the NFL? Or boxing the heavyweight guys? NOPE. Should give an idea of how God made things. Show me a verse, any verse in the Bible where Godly women smack talked men of God. Didn't happen, and if it did, God woulda whacked 'em for it. If a girl wants to act like a man, I'll treat her like one. If she can't handle it, then she should stow it. :) Or we could always step into the boxing ring. I love boxing. Awesome sport. I wonder who would hold out? Huh, probably the girl. Yeah, the girl. :)

36 posted on 03/27/2009 2:34:54 PM PDT by OPREV
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To: Godzilla

Excellent points.

Blessed be the name of the Lord!

Then there’s the . . . no Jew nor Greek, male nor female, bond nor free in Christ.

Not having a brazen control freak hussy yelling across from the women’s section to hubby in the men’s section to explain the sermon sentence just uttered is one thing . . .

Not having a brazen control freak hussy trying to unfittingly dominate a man or men in a group is one thing . . .


59 posted on 03/27/2009 8:26:21 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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