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“All of this is a lie. The Illuminati were founded in 1776 and were dissolved in 1787. It is obvious that Galileo and Bernini could not possibly have been members: Galileo died in 1647 and Bernini passed away in 1680. More important, the Catholic Church never hunted, much less killed, a single member of the Illuminati. But this hasn’t stopped Brown from asserting that ‘It is a historical fact that the Illuminati vowed vengeance against the Vatican in the 1600s.’

Donohue's got his history right, right!?

1 posted on 04/21/2009 6:10:33 PM PDT by chase19
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To: chase19

Bill Donohue is one of my favorite people. He doesn’t give a da*n about PC from a hole in the wall. He just tells it like he sees it...so rare today.


2 posted on 04/21/2009 6:12:14 PM PDT by chase19
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There is always talk of how the Catholic Church stopped this or that advancement.

This book tells the truth

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/0895260387


3 posted on 04/21/2009 6:16:18 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: chase19

Many don’t care about truth.

Those “itching ears” are eager to believe what they wish.


4 posted on 04/21/2009 6:18:35 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Donohue's got his history right, right!?

Well, yes and no.

The Bavarian Illuminati he references indeed functioned as an organization during the period he discusses.

However, the Illuminati identified with and considered themselves descended from various earlier masonic and anti-Church movements such as the Fratecelli, Rosicrucians, Albigensians, etc.

The Church did indeed massacre some of these movements.

Whether the quote from the movie is historically accurate would depend to some extent on the context of the discussion.

Given the general lack of interest in historical accuracy in Brown's writing, I'd be quite surprised if it is accurate.

9 posted on 04/21/2009 6:35:03 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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It’s time to stop the lies and come clean.

That's what Max Baer said too.

11 posted on 04/21/2009 6:38:56 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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I dont know much about the Illuminati, but I think that Hollywood is going to make films depicting whatever makes them feel good...

Who needs facts or history ???

They get in the way of “art”


12 posted on 04/21/2009 6:40:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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The illuminati are one link in a much longer chain of secret orders rumored to date back to the age of Horus and possibly beyond and all sharing various common aspects, namely the pursuit and sharing of scientific knowledge which, ultimaely, became a threat to the status quo i.e. the church. There is no doubt that the Catholic church sought to quash their endeavors through both non-violence and violence when the threat became intolerable. The Catholic church of the time was much more involved in the day to day life of men and women back then. Undermining their hegemony was considered blasphemy/satanic/sorcery/witchcraft/heresy/etc and was punishable by death and torture. I don’t find it difficult to believe that a crusade was ordered against the illuminati although it is more likely that this is fictional reference to the earlier crusade waged against the Templar Knights by order of King Phillip prior to their involvment with the ancient and accepted scottish right. The illuminati have always remained a bit of an enigma within the grand scheme of free masonry (at least to me). Their involvement with Templars seems highly likely but their Raison d’être remains something of a mystery.


13 posted on 04/21/2009 6:43:44 PM PDT by RC one
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To: chase19
ron howard is overrated and his DaVinci code sucked
14 posted on 04/21/2009 6:55:08 PM PDT by hecht
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Hey Ron, if you are so gutsy and open minded, why not bring The Satanic Verses to the big screen?


15 posted on 04/21/2009 7:08:49 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: chase19

When Opie and all his former co-stars made that ad for Soetoro, that told me all I needed to know: they are all baby-killing Catholic-haters.

Now Opie and Brown are back to their old two-step—claiming its all factual, and when someone challenges any of their “facts,” then “it’s just a novel/movie.”


23 posted on 04/22/2009 12:13:10 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If Bishop D'Arcy finds out a priest is molesting kids, he will boycott the parish's Fall Supper!!!)
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I guess Howard skipped history classes at his studio school.


29 posted on 04/22/2009 4:28:51 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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