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What’s the Point of Creeds?
CERC ^ | 1988 | Peter Kreeft

Posted on 05/01/2009 10:31:49 PM PDT by Salvation

What’s the Point of Creeds?

PETER KREEFT

I remember vividly how deeply moved I was as a young Protestant to hear how one of the Catholic martyrs died...


Peter Kreeft

I remember vividly how deeply moved I was as a young Protestant to hear how one of the Catholic martyrs died: scratching in the sand with his own blood the words of the creed, “Credo ....”( “I believe”).

My heart was moved, but my head did not yet understand. What do these Catholics see in their creeds anyway? How can a set of words be worth dying for? Why have wars been fought over a word? What's the point of creeds?

Then I read Dorothy Sayers' little masterpiece Creed or Chaos?, and I was answered.

The question can be answered by remembering another question, the one Pilate asked Christ in another life-or-death situation: “What is truth?”

And that is the point of the creeds: truth. In fact, Primal Truth, the truth about God. That is why the words of the Creed are sacred words. Just as God's material houses are sacred, so are his verbal houses. Of course God is no more confined to words, even the sacred words of creeds, than he is confined to the sacred buildings of tent or temple, church or cathedral. But both are holy, set apart, sacred. “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. “

Faith has two dimensions: the objective and the subjective. Creeds express these two dimensions: “I believe in God. “ There is an I, a believing subject, and there is God, the object of belief. There is the psychology of believing, which is something in us, and there is the theology of belief, which is the Truth believed. There is the eye, and there is the light. And woe to him who mistakes the one for the other.

When the Church formulated her creeds, humanity was more interested in the light than in the eye. God providentially arranged for the great creeds of the Church to be formulated in ages that cared passionately about objective truth. By modern standards, they ignored the subjective, psychological dimension of faith.

But we moderns fall into the opposite and far worse extreme: we are so interested in the subject that we often forget or even scorn the object. Psychology has become our new religion, as Paul Vitz and Kirk Kilpatrick have both so brilliantly shown.

Yet it's the object, not the subjective act, of faith that makes the creeds sacred. They are sacred because Truth is sacred, not because believing is sacred. Creeds do not say merely what we believe, but what is. Creeds wake us from our dreams and prejudices into objective reality. Creeds do not confine us in little cages, as the modern world thinks; creeds free us into the outdoors, into the real world where the winds of heaven whip around our heads.

What is the object, the Truth? Saint Thomas says that the primary object of faith is not words and statements but God himself. “We believe in God.” Further, as Christians we know God most fully in Christ, God incarnate, and as Catholics we know Christ through Holy Mother Church and her creeds.

When human reason raved, in the Arian heresy, that Christ could not possibly be both fully human and fully divine, Athanasius stood against the world; today we know Christ as he really is because of Athanasius and his creed.

When contemporary forms of the same heresy water down the strong meat” of Christ, the Church again braves the media, the mouth of the world, and calmly thunders the full truth about Christ. True, it is Christ rather than words that is the primary object of the Christian's faith, but what Christ? Here words are crucial.

Two extremes must be avoided: intellectualism and anti-intellectualism, worshipping the words and scorning the words. If the ancient mind tended to the former extreme, the modern mind certainly tends to the latter. Both errors are deadly.

Intellectualism misses the core of faith, both objectively and subjectively. Objectively, the core of faith is God, who is a Person, not a concept. Subjectively, the core of faith is the will, not the intellect. Though informed by the intellect, it is the will that freely chooses to believe.

Faith is not the relation between an intellect and an idea, but the relation between an I and a Thou. That is why faith makes the difference between heaven and hell. God does not send you to hell for flunking his theology exam but for willingly divorcing from him.

Anti-intellectualism also misses the core of faith, both objectively and subjectively. Objectively, because its faith has no object. It calls faith an experience (“the faith experience”) — a term never used by our Lord, Scripture, the creeds, or the popes. Modern people are constantly saying, “Have faith!” But faith in what or whom? They often mean “have faith in faith. “ But faith in faith in what?

Anti-intellectualism is a modern reaction against the modern narrowing of reason to scientific reason. When the ancients and medievals called man a “rational animal”, they did not mean a computerized camera mounted in an ape. They meant by “reason” understanding, wisdom, insight, and conscience as well as logical calculation.

Modern thinkers often forget this dimension of man and think only of reasoning (as in calculating) and feeling. And because they see that faith is not a matter of reasoning, they conclude that it must be a matter of feeling. Thus “I believe” comes to mean “I feel and creeds simply have no place. Faith becomes a “leap” in the dark instead of a leap in the light.

Many of the Church's greatest saints have been doctors of the Church, theologians, philosophers, intellectuals: Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Bonaventure. Anti-intellectuals like Tatian and Tertullian and Luther (who called reason “the devil's whore”) often die excommunicated, as heretics.

The Church — repeating what Saint Paul said in Romans 1: 19-20 — even teaches as a matter of faith that God's existence can be known by reason, independent of faith!

The Catholic ideal is the complete person, with a cool head and a warm heart, a hard head and a soft heart. The mere intellectual has a cool heart; the anti-intellectual has a hot head. The intellectual has a hard heart, the anti-intellectual has a soft head. The Church puts the severed parts in the right order because the Church has the blueprint: Christ (Eph 4:13). The Church has always had a conservative head and a liberal heart, and the world has never understood her, just as it never understood Christ.

Creeds are to the head what good works are to the heart: creeds express truth, the head's food, as good works express love, the heart's food. Both are sacred.

If there is any doubt about the need for creeds, it can be settled by fact: the fact that the Church established by Christ, the Church Christ promised to “guide into all truth”, has in fact formulated and taught creeds.

The first bishops, the apostles, formulated the Church's first, shortest, and most important creed, the Apostles' Creed. Whether the apostles literally wrote it, as tradition says, or whether it was written by their disciples to preserve the apostles' teaching, in either case it is the teaching of the apostles. When we recite this creed we speak in unison with them.

There is a strange notion abroad that creeds oppress, repress, or suppress people. That is like saying that light or food is repressive. The practical purpose of the creeds is truth, and truth is light and food for the soul.

Each of the Church's creeds was written in response to a heresy, to combat it not by force but by truth, as light combats darkness. Creeds are “truth in labeling”. Those who disbelieve in truth or scorn it, or who disbelieve in our ability to know it, see creeds as power plays.

The media's hysterical rhetoric about the pope's labeling Hans Kung's theology as non-Catholic theology is a good example of the world's utter confusion here. The media conjured up visions of the return of the Inquisition simply because the pope said, in effect, that Kung's teachings about Christ should not be confused with the Church's teachings about Christ. But this reaction should be expected if we remember the words of Christ himself (read Jn 3:17-21 prayerfully).

The most important creeds were those formulated by the Church's ecumenical (universal) councils in response to the most important heresies, the heresies about Christ; and of these the two most important were Chalcedon and Nicaea. (The Nicene Creed is the one we recite each Sunday at Mass.) The Church's most recent council, Vatican II, formulated no new creeds and no new doctrines but applied the old ones to new needs and situations.

The pope called an extraordinary synod of bishops in 1985 in part to clarify Catholic confusion concerning Vatican II. Anyone who would take the trouble to read the actual documents (which are much, much longer than creeds) would see how traditional they are. The “spirit of Vatican II” conjured by the media and some theologians is a phantom, a ghostlike half-person, with the fatal split between head and heart, creed and deed, theology and social action, love of God and love of man, eternal principles and updated applications.

But the pope is a bridge builder, a pontifex; he will patch what the world has torn. And the blueprint he will follow in doing this will be the historic, never-abandoned creeds of the Church of Christ.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Kreeft, Peter. “What's the Point of Creeds?” Chapter 17 in Fundamentals of the Faith. (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1988), 107-111.

Reprinted by permission of Ignatius Press. All rights reserved. Fundamentals of the Faith - ISBN 0-89870-202-X.



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To: FourtySeven; Kolokotronis
Perhaps dear Kolokotronis was making the (IMO correct) point that God isn’t a person

We ALL know that God is not a person. Hence, the clarification posted from the CCC.

They say that language is the worst form of communication because it fails to properly express what is in our hearts. This discussion is a good example.

21 posted on 05/02/2009 6:30:55 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Salvation
The Catholic ideal is the complete person, with a cool head and a warm heart, a hard head and a soft heart. The mere intellectual has a cool heart; the anti-intellectual has a hot head. The intellectual has a hard heart, the anti-intellectual has a soft head. The Church puts the severed parts in the right order because the Church has the blueprint: Christ (Eph 4:13).

I think the passage above sums up the whole issue very nicely. Thanks for posting.

22 posted on 05/02/2009 7:38:07 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: reaganaut

**In this day where false teachings abound, I firmly believe that Christians need to be held more strongly to the contents of the Creeds.**

Agree.


23 posted on 05/02/2009 8:52:29 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Mad Dawg

The Nicene Creed is a poem? Outlandish!


24 posted on 05/02/2009 8:54:18 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kolokotronis
“Objectively, the core of faith is God, who is a Person, not a concept.”

Yaaaggghhhh!

Nice catch.

25 posted on 05/02/2009 8:54:49 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: reaganaut

the creed is stated daily in every Catholic church.


26 posted on 05/02/2009 8:55:44 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Kolokotronis

So, how to you explain the Trinity without saying “Three persons in one God?”

Three ‘beings’ in one God?

Hmmm. Wondering.


27 posted on 05/02/2009 8:56:11 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kosta50; annalex; AnAmericanMother

Does someone have a Latin.Vulgate of the Creeds?


28 posted on 05/02/2009 8:57:59 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Appleby

**(They were actively hostile to new members, and anti-American sermons were preached routinely by their South African pastor).**

Wow! Sounds like you ran into another Rev. Wright! Was Obama there? LOL! <sarc off


29 posted on 05/02/2009 8:59:40 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Thanks, NYer!


30 posted on 05/02/2009 9:00:21 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mad_as_he$$

cute, but I do not worship ANY movies stars....only God.


31 posted on 05/02/2009 9:01:20 AM PDT by tioga
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To: reaganaut
Creeds are unifying statements of faith. They were developed by the Early Church as a test of Orthodoxy and as a response to heresies. I find the creeds to be powerful statements. I wish more Protestant groups would use them or use them more often.

To your point, the various creeds and confessions of the historic church have been a useful means of codifying and focusing key Biblical doctrines, and by extension are very useful in matters of church membership (covenants) or forming definitions of heresy for Protestants. An interesting problem arises, as many "Protestant" churches, especially evangelical and non-denominational ones, reject the creeds as binding on themselves re matters of discipline or doctrine. How does St Simeon the Patient Reformed Church know that First Fundamental Independent Baptist Church of Christ Unified down the street is trinitarian and orthodox, if FFIBCoCU refuses to publish (or even write down on paper) their "what we believe" document, and also refuses to deny or affirm SStPRC's own "what we believe" document?

There is no simple way of determining whether some churches are "in the fold" of authentic Christianity or are apostate/heretical. We (the pro-creedal Christians) have to "take it on faith" that they (the anti-creedal Christians) are really our brothers in Christ. Now to some extent I'm exaggerating here in order to prove a point, but I think the question is a valid one.

I would never suggest that a creed is a substitute for Scripture itself, nor would I suffer accusations that creeds are fabrications of doctrine. I would say that creeds are excellent summaries of where Scripture speaks to certain subjects, and exist as historic documents as to who took what side in ecclesiastical/doctrinal disputes. IMO creeds were wisely formed to "redeem the time" (Eph. 5:16) when testing or investigating the confessions of a professing believer, and continue to be smart tools for the churches' use today.

Only those believers that individually and institutionally submit themselves to the historic creeds of the church can be said to be "in agreement" doctrinally. By their very nature, creeds define what two or more groups' shared beliefs are, and they provide a useful way for both insiders and outsiders to test themselves on whether they really are doctrinally and congregationally unified.

32 posted on 05/02/2009 9:14:21 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Presbyterians often forget that John Knox had been a Sunday bowler.)
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To: JEHUE
What nonsense! Tell that to Charles Carroll, a Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence. He'd be shocked to find out that his cousin, Daniel Carroll, didn't really sign the Constitution!

There was no prohibition, real or implied, on Catholic representatives at the Constitutional convention of 1787. Daniel Carroll's presence there alone squashes the notion. I believe that there was one other Catholic there as well, though I don't recall his name. The only reason there were so few Catholic signers is that, at the time, there were proportionately few Catholics here. That's the only reason. Stop sounding like a Know Nothing Party member.

And there is another implication in your statement. Do you aver that it is more important to follow your country or to follow God first? God or country. You choose. Your statement seems to imply that sincere believers (in this case, Catholics) must bow to amorphous concepts of egalitarian politics ("the people") every time. I submit to you that that is a strange notion from the Christian POV. Indeed, it's that very mindset that has led to the collapse of our Christian heritage, insofar as people cave to the notion that we must subsume our convictions in the face of raw poll numbers on a host of moral issues these days. No. God comes first, then our fellow men! If you are any kind of Christian at all, how can you really take issue with this?

33 posted on 05/02/2009 9:16:17 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: tioga

Are you saying John Wayne is not god?


34 posted on 05/02/2009 9:28:47 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Salvation

Keep up the good work is my only comment. It’s just like the two extremes C.S. Lewis once pointed out with regard to Satan when he said the two biggest mistakes we make are to (1) give him all the credit (i.e. blame) and attribute all of our sins to him(ala Flip Wilson - “The Devil made me do it”) and (2) the deny he exists or think that he does not have a hand in many things. I was taught there are three things we struggle against, “the world, the flesh, and the devil” and I would say that intellectualism is certainly the flesh as our pride and our own sense of ego is often at the heart of our trying to assert our intellect over scripture. Meanwhile, we are to worship God with our “mind” so to be a silly-minded person that does not consider the scripture carefully in its context is, likewise, foolish.


35 posted on 05/02/2009 9:36:32 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Salvation

Hey - you are doing a good job on here!


36 posted on 05/02/2009 9:37:02 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Alex Murphy

You do have some interesting points here.


37 posted on 05/02/2009 9:43:49 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

“Catholics believe the same thing, even Protestant converts.”

I know, NYer, I know. I am not saying the Latin Church doesn’t have an orthodox belief in this regard. I am saying that the formerly Protestant preacher is either just plain wrong, or reverting to a Protestant mindset and vocabulary, neither of which are appropriate if one purports to be speaking the Truth as The Church knows it.


38 posted on 05/02/2009 10:12:02 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Salvation

“So, how to you explain the Trinity without saying “Three persons in one God?”

Three ‘beings’ in one God?

Hmmm. Wondering.”

Easy, learn to understand the Creed in Greek, or Syriac/Arabic, or Church Slavonic, or Latin (without the filioque as is normative for catechesis). The whole “person” idea comes from the Latin “persona” which means more a “mask” than “person”. The word to use is “hypostasis”, which is used even in English, thus three hypostasia in one ousia. Theologically, these words are used when discussing the Trinity in most languages because they avoid the problem of anthropomorphism.

St. Patrick’s shamrock is pretty good, too!


39 posted on 05/02/2009 10:29:48 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

You got me there. Need to look up this word!

anthropomorphism


40 posted on 05/02/2009 10:37:27 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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