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"I believe."
1 posted on 05/01/2009 10:31:49 PM PDT by Salvation
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Two extremes must be avoided: intellectualism and anti-intellectualism, worshipping the words and scorning the words. If the ancient mind tended to the former extreme, the modern mind certainly tends to the latter. Both errors are deadly.

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2 posted on 05/01/2009 10:32:42 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Creeds are unifying statements of faith. They were developed by the Early Church as a test of Orthodoxy and as a response to heresies.

I find the creeds to be powerful statements. I wish more Protestant groups would use them or use them more often.

Stating your faith in common with other believers is a very powerful experience.


5 posted on 05/01/2009 11:16:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Salvation; Mad Dawg

Not a bad article through about here:

“What is the object, the Truth? Saint Thomas says that the primary object of faith is not words and statements but God himself. “We believe in God.” Further, as Christians we know God most fully in Christ, God incarnate, and as Catholics we know Christ through Holy Mother Church and her creeds.”

This is pure, patristic Christian theology.

But he falls right off the cliff, displaying his Protestant roots after this:

“Objectively, the core of faith is God, who is a Person, not a concept.”

God is not a “Person” or a “Persona”. God is ineffable, the “Being which creates beingness” We believe in God but God does not “exist” in any sense we comprehend. Any other concept leads to anthropomorphism, as for example this:

“God does not send you to hell for flunking his theology exam but for willingly divorcing from him.”

Nonsense. God doesn’t send anyone to hell. God’s mercy and love fall on the good and the evil alike, like rain on the earth. To say that God’s grace doesn’t fall on the evil is like saying the sun doesn’t shine on the blind! We can grow to hate God so much that His love becomes a fire which torments us just as it burnishes and refines those who love Him.

I am always pleased when a Protestant returns to The Church; it is cause for rejoicing. But The Church has an obligation to properly catechise people before they begin to “preach”.


12 posted on 05/02/2009 4:07:50 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Salvation
Mine is simpler and lots more effective.

Live each day with courage.

Take pride in your work.

Always finish what you start.

Do what has to be done.

Be tough, but fair.

When you make a promise, keep it.

Ride for the brand.

Talk less and say more.

Remember that some things aren't for sale.

Know where to draw the line.

Life is hard, it is harder if you are stupid.

Nemo me impune lacessit.

"Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway.

John Wayne

19 posted on 05/02/2009 6:02:35 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Salvation
The Catholic ideal is the complete person, with a cool head and a warm heart, a hard head and a soft heart. The mere intellectual has a cool heart; the anti-intellectual has a hot head. The intellectual has a hard heart, the anti-intellectual has a soft head. The Church puts the severed parts in the right order because the Church has the blueprint: Christ (Eph 4:13).

I think the passage above sums up the whole issue very nicely. Thanks for posting.

22 posted on 05/02/2009 7:38:07 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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85 posted on 05/03/2009 9:56:33 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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