Posted on 05/03/2009 9:24:54 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
Smith didn't translate the Bible...he claimed to be translating golden plates with the aid of a rock in a hat!
The golden plates were engraved with a compact writing system with ties to ancient Egyptian writing. The early writers of the Book of Mormon spoke Hebrew, and the primary spoken and written language of subsequent generations was largely derived from Hebrew. However, the final writers and abridgers of the Book of Mormon used "reformed Egyptian" for inscribing text onto gold plates. This appears to have been a case of using one writing system (a compact script derived from Egyptian) to convey or transliterate the words of another language.
The reformed Egyptian writing system apparently had been passed on from the knowledge of Egyptian shared by Lehi and his son Nephi, the first writers of the original Book of Mormon text.
Young Joseph Smith relied on the power of God to translate the unknown language on the gold plates, producing text at a pace of about 8 and sometimes 10 full pages per day, a pace exceeding that of modern professional translators who often produce about one or two final pages per day. (For comparison, the King James Bible was translated by a team of about 50 scholars over a 7-year period at a rate of about 1 page per day. That team had abundant resources at their disposal, including prior translations.)
This phenomenal outpouring of text occurred under trying circumstances under which Joseph faced persecution and many hardships associated with caring for a family. Though we do not know many details on how Joseph's translation was accomplished, Joseph and several of the witnesses who saw him translate make reference to a divine tool called the Urim and Thummim that he had received from the angel to assist in the translation.
, producing text at a pace of about 8 and sometimes 10 full pages per day
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Thats all ???
ONLY 8-10 pages...
and only a few words on the page because they were HANDWRITTEN
Handwritten by someone else...
Always behind a curtain...
Take one bottle of “spirits”
Drink it all...
Take one rock...
Place in hat...
Apply face to same mentioned hat
Take one conspirator...wife or friend...optional...
(May substitute dupe if conspiritor not available)
Snooze and mumble while they write...
Thus a new religion is written into history as you sleep off your toot...
My guess is that it won’t be the perspective of the Billy Graham anti-semite Baptist that mainstreamers want.
Goodness. I have found, however, that we are at least a literate people.
Can you explain the over 200,000 variances in the “inerrant Bible” since just the time of the Niceans?
Thanks for bumping the thread ;)
Even put bulls deserve to be fed.
I didn't get very far this time. I couldn't make it past that.
Cordially,
As Mark Twain said: “Chloroform in print”.
The chapters I always liked best were those lifted from Isaiah.
Secondly,"The Book of Mormon is really a clever adaptation of an obscure, unpublished historical novel written during the War of 1812 in Conneaut, OH and Pittsburgh, PA by a down-and-out ex-preacher named Solomon Spalding, a Revolutionary War veteran and bankrupt land speculator who died at Amity, Washington County, PA in 1816 and lies buried in the churchyard there. Prior to his death, Spalding had complained to friends and relatives that a draft of his novel, A Manuscript Found, had been stolen from the shelves of Pittsburgh publisher R.& J. Patterson, by one Sidney Rigdon. This same Rigdon later became one of the three principal founders of the Mormon religious movement along with co-conspirators Joseph Smith, Jr., and Smith’s cousin Oliver Cowdery, an itinerant book peddler and sometimes printer. According to Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon?: The Spalding Enigma, it all began as an elaborate get-rich-quick scheme which Joseph Smith himself referred to as "the Gold-Bible business" in an 1829 letter. At the time of the conspiracy, Smith and Cowdery lived in western New York. Rigdon resided in the Pittsburgh area until 1818, and then spent the next dozen years in various locations around western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio. According to evidence presented by the authors, it was Oliver Cowdery, who eventually brought Rigdon and Smith together, and who later served as Smith’s personal scribe during the process of creating The Book of Mormon from Spalding’s manuscript.
Joe Smith “So I need to be able to make stuff up and shag a lot of girlies.. can we work with that?”
Nice fairy tale. Did your preacher tell you about it when he was picking your pocket?
Nope - my “preacher” doesn’t pick our pockets as the LDS church picks yours. You are believing a lie. Debate the issue. If you cannot defend the LDS church you believe in then don’t disparage those that can show the counterfeit Christianity you believe in.
Regards, Jane
So, which version of the Bible do you consider to be inerrant?
Which Church do you consider to be correct?
Are you a Trinitarian or a non-trinitarian?
Nicean or non-nicean?
Calvinist or non-calvinist?
I am a Messianic Jew. I believe that Jesus is Messiah. I have read pretty much all the literature of those churches which counterfeit what Christianity is, namely: The LDS, The JW’s and all those other denominations. A friend of mine is a bank teller and when she told me about the schooling she received as a bank teller she said she never ever handled counterfeit money, she only handled the real stuff so that when a counterfeit dollar showed up she’d know it spot on. It’s the same with Christianity - when the counterfeit shows up I can identify it ... the LDS church is a counterfeit Christian church- hands down.
You never did say which version of The Bible is inerrant.
Glad you have read all the anti-Mormon literature. I have read lots of anti-semitic stuff over the years. So what?
Billy Graham admits to being anti-semitic and most of you “Christians” claim him.
I didn't have to "look into my heart" to know that Mormonism is wrong and totally un-Christian.
Just because I read that which shows Mormonism is not Christian does not make me anti-Mormon. I am anti-Mormon teachings/doctrine.
Last summer I had the opportunity to visit the jail where Joseph Smith Jr. was shot. I saw the window where he fell from and the courtyard where he landed. I had the tour of the church next door to the jail and had a great time with the ladies who ran the museum ....
IMO, it is much more difficult for converts (like OMM) to see the truth about the LDS church. Those born into it have the excuse that it was all they have ever known. Their parents made them do it.
Converts, OTOH, not only have to deal with the lies and heresies, they also have the blow to their ego that they CHOSE this, they fell for it, the did it willingly. That is very hard to accept, especially since the LDS church feeds the pride of its members.
There are converts who are humbled enough to admit they were wrong and come out of it. All we can do is pray for those still in it.
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