Posted on 05/09/2009 4:08:27 PM PDT by americanophile
BIG diff between “WORSHIPPING someplace and PRAYING someplace. Are you over 21??
Would think a Muslim going into St. Peter's is praying to Jesus?? geesh.
I think I nailed you.....sorry.
No, I think I’d remember that.
Well, I’m not a ‘gal’ at all, so you’re wrong again. Yes, my point was one about symbolism, not the mechanics of prayer, which I was explicit about. Your analogy however isn’t congruent. If say, the Ayatollah or the Saudi Grand Mufti showed up the Vatican to pray it would have huge symbolic value. How can you deny this?
I'm proud of our military dealing with moslems according to the dictates of their profession. I'm equally proud of Christian holy men dealing with moslems according to the terms of their profession as well.
So EVERYONE that goes to thw Vatican PRAYS TO JESUS??? My Jewish husband that went to the Vatican would be very surprised!!
What is your point with that link?
If there is no hope, then he's being a tool
If one has enough faith they would especially pray in places where Jesus followers are cursed daily.
Those who do this realize that love is stronger than hate and are not afraid of persecution because of this.
Dear Kosta, I have taken a break away from posting much on free republic because it can take away from prayer-that is far more important that what we post here.
I will pray for you,my friend
That sounds nice, sfa, but nowhere does Christ teach us to go into such places to pray. Not even to the Samaritans, who are Jews! He tells us to pray in a private corner at home. Nor does Christ personally go where golden calves are worshiped. And don't tell me that we all believe in the same God. That yet another devious deception.
You see, Jesus was not an ecumenist. I was watching the Pope's visit in the Holy Land and his speeches make me sick. He is being pulled right where JPII failed—into the hands of ecumenism, where all religions are simply a different modality of the same truth.
This self-abasing culture that prevailed after the Vatican II is the very evil for relativism and rationalization that is nowhere to be found in the Bible and the Church teaching. <
That's the culture that resulted in clown masses and "churches" that look like lecture halls.
The early Church Fathers condemned even their own for being judaiziers. Where is ecumenism in the writings of our greatest saints? Where are calls to go to synagogues and mosques to pray with them? The Church of today is afraid to excommunicate even those who teach openly doctrines that are not hers. Ask yourself, what have we (Christians) become and who was more Christian, the early church or this one!
You ought to pray, asking God to save us from falling into the satanic trap of relativism and sweet succor of ecumenism. And pray real hard.
No, and I don't know why you would have drawn such a conclusion from what I wrote. It's a total non sequitur. I said that if the Ayatollah or the Grand Mufti went to the Vatican to pray it would have major symbolic value. You somehow turned that into "everyone that goes to the Vatican prays to Jesus." I'm sorry that your having trouble following what is a fairly simple notion.
BTW, I noticed you didn't say that your Jewish husband went to the Vatican TO PRAY...I wonder why that is? Could it be that people normally don't go to the houses of worship of other religions to pray?
your question was “Since when do Popes go to mosques and synagogues?” — I pointed out that the 1st century Popes DID go to synagogues. Your question was answered.
and, you would have wanted the Pope to carry a sledge hammer and break the walls of the mosque to which he was invited? Of course, the repercussions that would be felt by Christians in Nigeria, the Middle East, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc. you wouldn’t mind if they got massacred while you (and I for that matter) were safe at home?
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You’re wrong. He’s not a Muslim, he’s a Christian, the head of most Christians, so his praying in a mosque, while not conforming to traditional Islamic methods, would no doubt have been seen as a recognition of Allah.
Have you NEVER been a TOURIST??? Tourists of ALL religions go to see the Vatican, the Blue Mosque, the Wailing Wall....geesh. You are trying to say SOMETHING but I don’t think I want to know for sure.
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