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What About Cutie's Sacraments? (A canon lawyer responds)
ncr ^ | May 29, 2009 | Tom Hoopes

Posted on 05/29/2009 1:05:13 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 05/29/2009 1:05:13 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

This decision will gnaw at his conscience throughout the remainder of his life.


2 posted on 05/29/2009 1:06:48 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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He did not belong as a Catholic Priest. But the priests who bugger alter boys are far worse.

It is shame he didn’t realize he was not for the priesthood before he joined.


3 posted on 05/29/2009 1:09:07 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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"This decision will gnaw at his conscience throughout the remainder of his life.

I don't think so. If he had any conscience left, he wouldn't have carried on a two year affair. And I believe (although I could be wrong), that the affair was with a woman in his Parrish. Horrible.

4 posted on 05/29/2009 1:10:10 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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obviously, his decision to enter and remain in a sexual relationship didn’t “gnaw” at him all that much.


5 posted on 05/29/2009 1:11:32 PM PDT by tioga
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I see we agree on this one. you beat me to it.


6 posted on 05/29/2009 1:12:10 PM PDT by tioga
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excommunication is for real criminals like Rev. John I. Jenkins of Notre Dame.

Father Cutie has feet of clay while Father Jenkins backs Abortionists. Do the math.


7 posted on 05/29/2009 1:13:07 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that excommunication is automatic and needs no formal action on the part of the Catholic Church.

That is, he excommunicated himself when he first broke his vows as a priest.

Is this correct?


8 posted on 05/29/2009 1:17:11 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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What about all the priests that did not remain “celibate” when they sexually abused all the young girls and boys. Don’t see them excommunicated! I’m a practicing Roman Catholic and am sickened by the double standards the heirarchy lives by. How many Roman priests, bishops, etc. in Rome have “housekeepers” who are their live-in lovers?


9 posted on 05/29/2009 1:35:24 PM PDT by growingpains
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It is disgusting and I agree with you completely. I am not Catholic, though and am just curious as to how excommunication works in the RC Church.

We really are facing a moral catastrophe, it seems.


10 posted on 05/29/2009 1:39:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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The violation of celibacy was not the act by which he excommunicated himself.


11 posted on 05/29/2009 1:47:01 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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Care to enlighten the rest of us? How many?


12 posted on 05/29/2009 1:47:17 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: 1010RD

The act of schism was the central act here - not the violation of celibacy.

The schism was voluntary and informed and he did it anyway.


13 posted on 05/29/2009 1:48:34 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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voluntary and informed and he did it anyway.

Doesn't that apply to his sex acts as well? Is excommunication automatic or do the sins/violations have to be discovered first?

14 posted on 05/29/2009 1:56:01 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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What about all the priests that did not remain “celibate” when they sexually abused all the young girls and boys. Don’t see them excommunicated!

You don't ?? How do you know that ?? Certain actions, like getting an abortion for example, incur automatic excommunication. No formal pronouncements needed from anyone in the Church. It is even possible that in some cases, only the person himself, and God, know that he is excommunicated. I am not familiar enough with Canon Law (which lists the situations when automatic excommunication occurs) to know if the situation you mention above is covered. I personally think that it should be, and also think that it probably is, but I do not know for sure.

I’m a practicing Roman Catholic and am sickened by the double standards the hierarchy lives by. How many Roman priests, bishops, etc. in Rome have “housekeepers” who are their live-in lovers?

I don't know. How many?? Please present your evidence and name names.

I am a practicing Traditional Roman Catholic, and I am not sickened (or not AS sickened as you apparently are). Most Catholic priests, bishops, etc... are devout men who are living their vocations faithfully. The "bad apple" left-wing homo's (or homo-sympathizers, or just plain left-wing liberals) who have infiltrated the Church are the cause of the majority of the problems, and hopefully do not represent a majority.

The parishes where I see the most cause for concern are the more modernist parishes that advertise that they follow "the Spirit of Vatican II" (whatever the heck that is!!). Those are the one's I avoid, and they are also the one's that seem to have the highest probability of having a "squishy" priest. Priests who have housekeepers do not worry me as much as priests who are liberal, and teach contrary to the magisterium. There are WAY too many of THEM for my comfort, even if they are not the majority.

15 posted on 05/29/2009 3:01:10 PM PDT by Zetman
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Better than with a boy in his Parish. He’s not the first Priest to fall in love and he won’t be the last either.


16 posted on 05/29/2009 3:08:24 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: growingpains

It happened in my town with a couple of priests and their ‘housekeepers.’


17 posted on 05/29/2009 3:09:37 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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“It happened in my town with a couple of priests and their ‘housekeepers.’”

Obviously was in the leftwing media news. Source? Thanks.


18 posted on 05/29/2009 3:31:54 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: growingpains

“What about all the priests that did not remain “celibate” when they sexually abused all the young girls and boys. Don’t see them excommunicated! I’m a practicing Roman Catholic and am sickened by the double standards the heirarchy lives by. How many Roman priests, bishops, etc. in Rome have “housekeepers” who are their live-in lovers?”

Now do you want me to post on Protestant pastors and their abuse of little boys? As for priests and little girls - source please. Also need a source for this “housekeeper” rumor that’s going around this forum especially this specific story. Thanks much.


19 posted on 05/29/2009 3:35:26 PM PDT by bronxville
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But the priests who bugger alter boys are far worse.

Almost as bad as their protestant counterparts.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers.

The big difference, though, is that the Catholic Church has taken action to prevent this from ever recurring. What have the Protestant Churches done?

20 posted on 05/29/2009 3:36:06 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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