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To: chase19

I’ve never said that non-Roman Catholic pastors are infallible. Indeed, every one that I’ve met is a sinner.

Rome teaches that their priests are somehow unscathed by sin, and that we are to trust their interpretations of Scripture rather than our own. It’s as though education and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit are thrown out the window among Roman Catholic laity. Not so among Evangelicals; we are like the Bereans, who didn’t take some religious leader’s word on something, but we trust Scripture instead.


56 posted on 06/12/2009 7:02:49 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo
Rome teaches that their priests are somehow unscathed by sin, and that we are to trust their interpretations of Scripture rather than our own.

Since when? They're all sinners and go to confession to receive Penance just like the rest of us. And scriptural commentary and "interpretation" is Tradition. It's not what they think, but what is accepted as part of the deposit of faith. And frankly, since the Douhay-Rheims there hasn't been a really really good translation.

58 posted on 06/12/2009 7:11:35 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: Theo

“Let me bring up your pedophile PRIESTS. Yeah, they’re part of that infallible apostolic body, right? I should trust in that pedophile to interpret Scripture for me, right? That pedophile has, as you say, “authority,” right?”

Welcome to a collection of news reports on ministers who have sexually abused children:

ALL Protestant denominations - 838 Ministers (known cases)

147 Baptist Ministers

251 “Bible” Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)

140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers

38 Lutheran Ministers

46 Methodist Ministers

19 Presbyterian Ministers

197 various Church Ministers
http://reformation.com/

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year (known cases)

By Rose French
June 18, 2007

The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures released to The Associated Press offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down — the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.

[...]

But he believes these are just the “tip of the iceberg’’ because churches don’t have to report abuse cases to the registry and aren’t likely to.

“The problem we’re having is that churches just weren’t sending the names,’’ Trull said. “In the normal scenario, they just try to keep it secret. We’re going to have to be more proactive and let them know if they don’t come forward, they’re helping to perpetuate this problem.’’
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm

Now you say -> “I’ve never said that non-Roman Catholic pastors are infallible. Indeed, every one that I’ve met is a sinner.”

And who said priests were infallible? Your whole response is full of suppositions and self-aggrandizing. No one was discussing priests until you brought up the strawman because you’d gotten yourself into a corner and couldn’t debate your way out of it. So what did you do? Run for cover and start yelling pedophile priests in an attempt to shut us up.

A Berean? HA!

So, you don’t have a leader?


59 posted on 06/12/2009 8:39:05 PM PDT by chase19
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To: Theo

Priests are not infalliable. Many have made mistakes.


61 posted on 06/12/2009 10:06:18 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Theo

***Rome teaches that their priests are somehow unscathed by sin***

Prove it. The writings of the Church are open to all on sites like vatican.va and usccb.org. Prove it.

***and that we are to trust their interpretations of Scripture rather than our own.***

Personal interpretation of Scripture is proscribed by Scripture. It is the interpretation of the Church, not individual priests, that is authorized by Jesus.

***It’s as though education and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit are thrown out the window among Roman Catholic laity. Not so among Evangelicals; we are like the Bereans, who didn’t take some religious leader’s word on something, but we trust Scripture instead.***

How’s that working out for you guys? God’s one Truth is now interpreted in tens of thousands of different way by recognized denominations and non denominationals, and in millions of ways by individuals who do not affiliate with or agree with their own denominations.

How many so called Christians here adhere line by line with the Nicene Creed? The Creed is the defining creed for Christians. I know a bunch who don’t.


65 posted on 06/13/2009 5:18:27 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Theo

Why is it that anti-Catholics never get right what they’re talking about?

You wrote:

“I’ve never said that non-Roman Catholic pastors are infallible. Indeed, every one that I’ve met is a sinner.”

So you’re confusing impeccability with infallibility? Great.

“Rome teaches that their priests are somehow unscathed by sin,...”

Never, not one, ever has the Catholic Church taught what you just said - nor anything remotely like it for that matter.


70 posted on 06/13/2009 4:29:16 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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