Mary and Intercessory Prayer

Ave Mary ^ | 6/21/09 | Shoy Thomas

[big'ol_freeper]

You have not answered my question. As a Catholic I have Holy Scripture that tells me the Church is who I go to when there is a dispute and that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. Nowhere does it tell me that I as an individual am free from error, only that the Church is.

[Marysecretary]

The Church is NOT the Holy Catholic Church. It’s the universal catholic church, the Body of Believers, US. Your church has many errors in it. Most churches do unfortunately. The Holy Spirit is your teacher and your guide. Go to HIM when you have a dispute. Talk to HIM about it. He’ll guide you into the truth.

[big'ol_freeper]

The Church is NOT the Holy Catholic Church. It’s the universal catholic church, the Body of Believers, US

Wrong. The Holy Scripture says otherwise. In Scripture it tells us if we have a dispute we should attempt to solve it one on one, then with a group and if that does not work bring it to the Church for resolution. You bring a dispute to the Magisterium of the Church and you will get a definitive answer. You bring a dispute of to the "body of believers"...protestantism or Catholics who do not speak for the Church...and all you get is disagreement. Either the Holy Scriptures lie or protestants have erred.

I'll stick with the assurance of protection for His Church that Jesus promised. And when I have a question on faith I will trust the Magisterium of his Church over the myriad of disagreements found in protestantism.

The disarray of protestantism is a pretty good proof of what the Holy Scriptures mean when they advice that the Church is the arbiter of conflict in beliefs.

[RJR_fan]

I've had several encounters with the Mormon deity during moments of weakness and exposure. It's a statistical deity, obsessed with keeping track of the numbers, with an inner motif of cool despair, everlastingly pursuing a task it knows to be hopeless.

Satan yearns for adoration, and is willing to adopt any guise to embezzle that which is God's alone. Such as -- the Mormon deity. Such as -- the BVM. In both cases, demonic stuff is going on, and the spiritual / emotional atmosphere has a weird tinge to it.

[netmilsmom]

>>Such as — the BVM.<<

Huh?

[netmilsmom]

Ping to 44

[netmilsmom]

>>The Vulgate was corrupted into “she” which lies at the root of Mariolatry: the verb is singular masculine. <<

Reference?

[big'ol_freeper]

demonic stuff is going on

Indeed. And it has caused a large number to be deceived and opposed to the Church Christ created and promised His protection till the end of time...His Catholic Church. Denying Christ's ability to keep His promises and actively blaspheming against Him and His Mother is bad form and puts a soul in serious danger. I pray for those who are so misguided and caught up in demonic heresy.

[RJR_fan]

The BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary) is one of the appearances Satan, or one of his angels, puts on in order to receive, under false colors, that which is due to God alone. That which the real Mary has no right to expect, and we have no right to offer her.

Marian apparitions are weird, sick, and profoundly disturbing to Christians who walk with God.

[netmilsmom]

Thanks! Better than I could have done!

[netmilsmom]

>>Marian apparitions are weird, sick, and profoundly disturbing to Christians who walk with God. <<

So those of us who believe in Fatima or Lourdes are not Christians who walk with God?

[Citizen Soldier]

As Father Corapi said in a lecture, If she was good enough for Jesus she is good enough for us.......

[Salvation]

tight on, FRiend. That is a great thing to remember!

[big'ol_freeper]

It is demons like these that only prayer can drive out.

[bdeaner]

Prayers of the saints refer to US, those who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. WE are the saints.

Are you attempting to imply that Mary, the Mother of God, is not a saint? You think she didn't believe in Jesus Christ as the Lord and Saviour? I sincerely do not see your point.

One place to go to understand the central place of the Saints in the New Covenant is the Apostle's Creed, which, upon mentioning the "holy catholic Church," adds "the communion of saints." Understood in context, this shows us that the Church is the assembly of saints. The communion of saints is the Church.

As St. Thomas Aquinas said, "Since all the faithful form one body, the good of each is communicated to the others...We must therefore believe that there exists a communion of goods in the Church. But the most important member is Christ, since he is the head...Therefore, the riches of Christ are communicated to all the members, through the sacraments." "As this Chuch is governed by oen and the same Spirit, all the goods she has recieved necessarily become a common fund."

The Christian, then, has a belief in the communion of all the faithful of Christ, those who are pilgrims on earth, the dead who are being purified, and the blessed in heaven, all together forming one Church. And, in addition, the Christian holds the belief that, in this communion, the merciful love of God and his saints is always attentive to our prayers.

[RJR_fan]

So those of us who believe in Fatima or Lourdes are not Christians who walk with God?

Good question. The charitable answer is that, as long as we are on this side of the Resurrection, we will all have our blind spots. Faith in Fatima and Lourdes is incompatible with Biblical Christianity. So, too, is sending kids to public schools. So the challenge we face is to affirm one another in love, while politely pointing out inconsistencies, and leaving it to the Christian and his God to work things out.

[Mr Rogers]

I’ve recently participated on a few threads involving Catholic belief. I’ve quoted quite a bit of scripture (http://www.biblegateway.com/ is my friend!), and haven’t been ‘corrected’ on much by anyone.

There are a few passages, such as John 6, that we INTERPRET differently. It is entirely possible for people of good will to look at a paragraph or two, and come to differing opinions on their import.

I haven’t posted on this thread because I have no heartburn with someone asking Mary to pray from them. It isn’t exactly directed in scripture, but neither can I say it is forbidden. I have no compulsion to follow that example, but I see no objection to someone else doing it.

I strongly object to anyone PRAYING to Mary, but folks on this thread have said that is contrary to Catholic teaching as well.

[Mr Rogers]

“Encouraged maybe, but the evidence on here suggests most don’t and those who do have no idea what they are reading.”

big’ol_freeper, seeing as how you are an authority on scripture, perhaps you’ll cite the verses showing where Peter, James, Paul and others asked Mary to intervene on their behalf with her son. Or perhaps you’ll share the fruit of your years of study, and point out the verses that require us to go to Mary for her intercession...

[netmilsmom]

Go back and read post 28.

The explanation isn’t any clearer than that.

[Radix]

Don’t hold your breath waiting on that challenge being answered.