Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation
How Old Is Your Church?If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry. If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744. If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605. If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865. If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder. If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century. If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church. |
I forgot to address this:
“In the meantime, those ecclesial groups outside The Church which don’t qualify as churches are Rome’s spiritual children. They may be juvenile delinquents, but their delinquency is likely the result of bad parenting.”
Juvenile delinquents?
The Orthodox Church have changed in substantial doctrine - the Catholics never have...perhaps the result of no parenting?
Great stuff! You are really pulling out the stops this evening. :)
You don’t answer squat. You make accusations and play word games. Roman Catholic=Catholic. RCC=Roman Catholic Church. You really didn’t need that because you knew full well what I was referring to unless you are dense, which I don’t believe you are.
Now, back to persecution, the question was “are you saying that Roman Catholicism was NOT the persecutor throughout most of history?” You say this is a loaded question with a false premise. How exactly is the premise false? It is a question.
In regards to Donatists, Montanists, Paulicians, Waldensians, Petrobrussians, Jews, Albigensians, Hussites etc., was the Roman Catholic institution, i.e., the “Catholic church” not responsible for persecuting and killing in heinous ways, for nearly 12 centuries?
I will even grant you that during the Protestant Reformation, the Protestants would often persecute Catholics and visa versa.
But the question is, what was the stance of the Catholic institution towards those who dissented from their point of view for most of Christian history?
Thanks for the buttering up yudan - sounds like an Armenian name but I’ll bet you 10 bucks it ain’t. :)
Can we take one at a time? Which one do you want to start with...?
The secular municipal capital of Italy doesn't have a single religion.
**The RCC sells religion and God gives relationship.**
Sells religion? Huh?
No.
Sorry.
Some Catholics are from Rome, most are not.
I sought God’s mercy in the Sacrament of Reconciliation today, bnt not about this thread. This thread only states the facts.
BTW, from what church are you getting your misinformation about the Catholic Church?
I agree.
"...the persecutor throughout most of history..."
There was no one persecutor.
Latin for "the back of your credit card."
I’m supposed to be doing some reports but keep coming back here. It’s all Salvation’s fault for starting this thread. :)
If there are differences in Christology, then any talk of an end to schism is pointless. Filioque is an ontological and theological issue that is of crucial importance to the catholic and apostolic nature of the Church because the Creed defines what the Church believes in.
As long as the Latin side continues to treat filioque as a "distraction," all efforts at bringing us closer will be doomed to failure.
“Latin for “the back of your credit card.””
Now that’s funny. lol
Well, then, please don't consider us Orthodox as such because we don't consider all who call themsleves Christians to be brothers and sisters in Christ. We have already once broken off all talks with the Vatican because of this syncretistic approach. Something's gotta give; we can't talk at nauseum.
Ah! So Petronski has reversed that age old fraud regarding the primacy of Rome??
LOL. I do notice that my zeal for posting on FR goes way up when I have something else I really don’t want to do!
Another compound question with a false premise from Blogger.
So tell me, Blogger, why did you stop beating your wife?
I don’t believe in gay marriage.
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