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No Salvation Outside the Church
Catholic Answers ^ | 12/05 | Fr. Ray Ryland

Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner

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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well put, as usual.

Glad someone else sees the double-speak tendency! LOL.

Isn’t the traditional frothing at the fingers on these threads . . . sooooo . . .

uhhhh . . . . familiar?

Perhaps like an old stinking gym shoe one finds cleaning under the basement stairs.


101 posted on 06/28/2009 9:26:53 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: bdeaner
So you think you can just make up whatever interpretation of the Bible suits you? Are you a relativist? Do you believe the Bible has multiple possible interpretations, or one correct interpretation? Isn't the Bible inerrant and true?

You nor anyone from your religion is any more qualified to interpret the scriptures any more than anyone on this forum...

And when we see how you ignore the scripture that you claim to have the authority to interpret, we know you are lying...

NO ONE is to interpret the scriptures by private interpretation...That includes you and your popes...

To interpret means to change to something you like or can better understand...There is no need to interpret and Jesus said He would provide the understanding...

And Jesus doesn't provide the understanding thru your religion...What is true is that some denominations do not agree on what the scriptures say...That's not God's fault...But what's funny is that your religion is by far the worst when it comes to interpreting the scriptures...And like the others, you claim your's is the best...

102 posted on 06/28/2009 9:28:35 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Quix
Confabulating facts into a mangled mess is not overly admirable . . . whether done by a RAD Vatican/RC rep or a Protty.

Agreed. I recommend you stop.

103 posted on 06/28/2009 9:29:56 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Quix

This is an incredible video that asks President Obama a very good series of questions.

http://tinyurl.com/GodandCountry

Kudos to the gentleman who asked that question.


104 posted on 06/28/2009 9:39:18 AM PDT by kday (http://tinyurl.com/GodandCountry)
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To: kday

Thanks.

Will check it out.


105 posted on 06/28/2009 9:41:19 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kday

GREAT VIDEO.

THX.


106 posted on 06/28/2009 9:44:49 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: bdeaner
Because a scholar authenticates a book doesn't make it's contents accurate or true, theologically. Otherwise, we'd have some difficult choices. So why the Bible and not one of these other books?

It is verified in the heart of each individual believer by the Holy Spirit...Odd that you don't know that...

Plus, there are a few hundred prophecies in the OT about the NT times that have come to pass...Without error...No other book or religion can make that claim...Apparently you don't know that either...

But the only way you know the scriptures are the word of God is because your religion told you so...But they don't believe it either...Because their religious tradition over rides the scriptures...

107 posted on 06/28/2009 9:49:40 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: bdeaner
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

God is the pillar and ground of the truth...Not your religion...

108 posted on 06/28/2009 9:58:43 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You know, there's another Church that preaches that too:

There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

When they say it, it's heresy. When the Papal church says it, it's sound doctrine. Go figure, I always thought Christ was the arbiter of who gets salvation based upon John 14:6 where he said:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Good to know that some men have set up institutions to usurp this role from Christ.

109 posted on 06/28/2009 10:01:11 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Quix; GeronL; PugetSoundSoldier; melsec; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy
When they want to be clear, they are.

CATHOLIC CHURCH ONLY TRUE CHURCH, VATICAN SAYS

The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

The 16-page document was prepared by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, a doctrinal watchdog that Pope Benedict used to head...

The document adds that Protestant denominations — called Christian Communities born out of the Reformation — are not true churches, but ecclesial communities...

Same old, same old. The counter Reformation never ended.

Semper Reformanda!

110 posted on 06/28/2009 10:02:36 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Amen.

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

111 posted on 06/28/2009 10:04:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Iscool
Amen.

"We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands." -- Mark 14:58


"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands" -- Acts 17:24


"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." -- 2 Corinthians 5:1


112 posted on 06/28/2009 10:08:45 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Iscool; Quix
NO ONE is to interpret the scriptures by private interpretation...That includes you and your popes..

How many hundreds of times have we seen RCs misinterpret this line and fling it at Protestants to support their myopia?

Their church shamefully tells them this verse means men are not to read the Bible for themselves without first going through the organizational bureaucracy of mother Rome, when what the verse is saying is that no man should read into the Scriptures what isn't there and that Scripture alone interprets Scripture, as we are guided by the Holy Spirit and not some pretender to His throne.

113 posted on 06/28/2009 10:14:14 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Iscool
The entire phrase "which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." modifies "the house of God" the language just before it.

The Catholic Church is "the church of the living God," which is "the pillar and ground of the truth."

The Catholic Church is the pillar and ground of the truth, just as 1Ti 3:15 says it is.

114 posted on 06/28/2009 10:15:22 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
as we are guided by the Holy Spirit and not some pretender to His throne.

The Holy Spirit does not guide various individuals to mutually exclusive positions. That would make the Holy Spirit a liar.

Yet there are various protestants who hold mutually exclusive positions on Scripture, both (all) of whom claim the Holy Spirit as inspiration.

There can only be one truth, and Christ founded the Catholic Church to protect it for us.

115 posted on 06/28/2009 10:18:01 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The counter reformation never ended.

As God wills it.

116 posted on 06/28/2009 10:19:04 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
Christ founded the Catholic Church to protect it for us

Bible verse where Christ does that, please?

117 posted on 06/28/2009 10:21:59 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I'm still waiting for the Bible verse that mandates sola Scriptura.
118 posted on 06/28/2009 10:23:52 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
When they say it, it's heresy. When the Papal church says it, it's sound doctrine.

And when the Catholic Church says it, it is truth.

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. Good to know that some men have set up institutions to usurp this role from Christ.

That's not "good to know" at all, it's just irrelevant. Christ is the head of the Catholic Church, and His role shall not be usurped.

119 posted on 06/28/2009 10:24:09 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: bdeaner
Catholics ask others -- including the Saints and Mary -- to pray FOR them, we do not pray TO them (not unless we are heretics)

Well you just condemned yourself on a public forum...Here are just a couple of pages of your 'prayers to Mary'...And many of those prayers DO NOT ask for intercession but are actual prayers to Mary for her to provide relief for whatever ails you...

http://www.marypages.com/PrayerstoMary.htm
http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/heal/mary.html

120 posted on 06/28/2009 10:25:07 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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