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Our Lady of Guadalupe ‘completely beyond' scientific explanation, says researcher
cna ^ | August 7, 2009

Posted on 08/07/2009 3:28:23 PM PDT by NYer

Dr. Adolfo Orozco at the International Marian Congress on Our Lady of Guadalupe in Glendale, Arizona.

Phoenix, Ariz., Aug 7, 2009 / 04:10 pm (CNA).- Researcher and physicist Dr. Aldofo Orozco told participants at the International Marian Congress on Our Lady of Guadalupe that there is no scientific explanation for the 478 years of high quality-preservation of the Tilma or for the miracles that have occurred to ensure its preservation.

Dr. Orozco began his talk by confirming that the conservation of the Tilma, the cloak of St. Juan Diego on which Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared 478 years ago, “is completely beyond any scientific explanation.”

“All the cloths similar to the Tilma that have been placed in the salty and humid environment around the Basilica have lasted no more than ten years,” he explained.  One painting of the miraculous image, created in 1789, was on display in a church near the basilica where the Tilma was placed.  “This painting was made with the best techniques of its time, the copy was beautiful and made with a fabric very similar to that of the Tilma. Also, the image was protected with a glass since it was first placed there.”

However, eight years later, the copy of the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was thrown away because the colors were fading and threads were breaking.  In contrast, Orozco said, “the original Tilma was exposed for approximately 116 years without any kind of protection, receiving all the infrared and ultraviolet radiation from the tens of thousands of candles near it and exposed to the humid and salty air around the temple.”

Dr. Orozco then discussed the Tilma’s fabric.  He noted that “one of the most bizarre characteristics of the cloth is that the back side is rough and coarse, but the front side is ‘as soft as the most pure silk, as noted by painters and scientists in 1666, and confirmed one century later in 1751 by the Mexican painter, Miguel Cabrera.”

Following an analysis of some of the fibers in 1946, it was concluded that the fibers came from the Agave plant, however, noted Dr. Orozco, the researchers couldn’t figure out which of the 175 Agave species the Tilma was made from.  Years later, in 1975, “the famous Mexican researcher Ernesto Sodi Pallares said that the species of the agave was Agave popotule Zacc,” Orozco explained, “but we don’t know how he reached this conclusion.”

Before concluding his presentation, Dr. Orozco made mention of two miracles associated with the Tilma. 

The first occurred in 1785 when a worker accidentally spilled a 50 percent nitric acid solvent on the right side of the cloth.  “Besides any natural explanation, the acid has not destroyed the fabric of the cloth, indeed it has not even destroyed the colored parts of the image,” Orozco said.

The second miracle was the explosion of a bomb near the Tilma in 1921.  Dr. Orozco recalled that the explosion broke the marble floor and widows 150 meters from the explosion, but “unexpectedly, neither the Tilma nor the normal glass that protected the Tilma was damaged or broken.”  The only damage near it was a brass crucifix that was twisted by the blast.

He continued, “There are no explanations why the shockwave that broke windows 150 meters afar did not destroy the normal glass that protected the image. Some people said that the Son by means of the brass crucifix protected the image of His Mother. The real fact is that we don’t have a natural explanation for this event.”

Dr. Orozco thanked the audience for listening to his presentation and closed by reassuring them that “Our Lady visited Mexico 478 years ago, but she remains there to give Her Love, Her Mercy and Her Care to anyone who needs it, and to bring Her Son, Jesus Christ to everyone who receives Him.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: catholic; guadalupe; image; mary

1 posted on 08/07/2009 3:28:24 PM PDT by NYer
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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

2 posted on 08/07/2009 3:29:55 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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3 posted on 08/07/2009 3:30:55 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

And the mystery of her eyes. I have seen the tilma. It has enormous impact when you see the original. >p?http://www.sancta.org/eyes.html


4 posted on 08/07/2009 3:32:33 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: NYer

Our Lady: love her, hate her, disbelieve in her, relegate her to the status of “ordinary sinner”, none of it matters. She is what she is: the Mother of God, Our Lady of the Americas, and the one who through her divine Son crushes the serpent’s head.

She’s praying for all of us, whether we deserve it or not. Ave Maria, Our Lady of Guadelupe!


5 posted on 08/07/2009 3:33:22 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan

I’m not Catholic, B-Chan, but I respect and revere Mary as the Mother of Our Lord. God chose her and she followed obediently. The tilna has always fascinated me.
Thank you for your beautiful words - you’ve made me cry here. :)
I do believe she is praying for us. And I pray it’s God’s will that America is not destroyed.


6 posted on 08/07/2009 3:39:14 PM PDT by Wife of D
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To: NYer
"Whatsoever he saith unto you, do."


7 posted on 08/07/2009 3:48:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chasse - TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Wife of D

here,here...from a southern Baptist backslider.... God Bless Ya’ll....


8 posted on 08/07/2009 4:01:37 PM PDT by waterhill (I beg you listen to us, We the People......)
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To: NYer

We in the US don’t have never lived under a royal household or long term monarchy. If you are going to pledge your faithfulness to the King whose kingdom never ends, it would be wise to have great respect for the queen mother.


9 posted on 08/07/2009 4:05:07 PM PDT by badpacifist ("Blessings come from God and He don't bless what he is against" ...Mrs Ray Charles)
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To: Wife of D; B-Chan
he tilna has always fascinated me.

The Mystery in Our Lady's eyes

Our Lady of Guadalupe Image. Enlarged photograph of the right eye showing a "bearded" man
"Bearded man" image in the right eye.
Rose According to many scientists who have inspected the image, it seems that in her eyes, in both of them and in the precise location as reflected by a live human eye, could be seen many figures that have been extensively analyzed and seem to correspond to the shape and size of human figures located in front of the image.

In 1929, Alfonso Marcue, who was the official photographer of the old Basilica of Guadalupe in Mexico City, found what seemed to him to be a clear image of a bearded man reflected in the right eye of the Virgin. Initially he did not believe what was before his eyes. How could it be? A bearded man inside of the eyes of the Virgin?. After many inspections of many of his black and white photographs he had no doubts and decided to inform the authorities of the Basilica. He was told that time to keep complete silence about the discovery, which he did.
More than 20 years later, on May 29, 1951, Jose Carlos Salinas Chavez, examining a good photograph of the face, rediscovers the image of what clearly appears to be a bearded man reflected in the right eye of the Virgin, and locates it on the left eye too.

Our Lady of Guadalupe Image. Detail of the right eye showing a "bearded man"
"Bearded man".
Since then, many people had the opportunity to inspect closely the eyes of the Virgin on the tilma, including more than 20 physicians, ophthalmologists.
The first one, on March 27, 1956, was Dr. Javier Torroella Bueno, MDS, a prestigious ophthalmologist. In what is the first report on the eyes of the image issued by a physician, he certifies what seems to be the presence of the triple reflection (Samson-Purkinje effect) characteristic of all live human eyes and states that the resulting images are located exactly where they are supossed to be according to such effect, and also that the distortion of the images agree with the curvature of the cornea.
The same year another ophthalmologist, Dr. Rafael Torrija Lavoignet, examined the eyes of the image with an ophthalmoscope in great detail. He observed the apparent human figure in the corneas of both eyes, with the location and distortion of a normal human eye and specially noted a unique appearance of the eyes: they look strangely "alive" when examined.
Many other examinations by ophthalmologists have been done of the eyes of the image on the tilma after these first ones. With more or less details all agree with the conclusions of the ones mentioned above.

Images found in the right eye of the Virgin on the tilma through digital analysis
According to Dr. Tonsmann, from left to right we can see "the Indian", "bishop Zumarraga", the "translator", "Juan Diego showing the tilma" and below "the family".
A new and interesting kind of analysis of the eyes started in 1979, when Dr. Jose Aste Tonsmann, Ph D, graduated from Cornell University, while working in IBM scanned at very high resolutions a very good photograph, taken from the original, of the face on the tilma. After filtering and processing the digitized images of the eyes to eliminate "noise" and enhance them, he reports he made some astonishing discoveries: not only the "human bust" was clearly present in both eyes, but another human figures were seen as reflected in the eyes too.
Dr. Aste Tonsmann published his last studies on the eyes on the tilma in the book "El Secreto de sus Ojos", with complete details and photographs of his work . Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of the studies is his conclusion that Our Lady of Guadalupe not only left us her miraculous image as proof of her apparition but some important messages too. These messages were hidden in the eyes on the image until our times, when new technologies would allow them to be discovered, when they are most necessary.
The family That would be the case with the image of a family in the center of the Virgin's eye, in times when families are under serious attack in our modern world. The image of various human figures that seem to constitute a family, including various children and a baby carried in the woman's back as used in the 16th century, appears in the center of the pupil, as shown in this great image of the right eye highlighting the family, generously provided by Dr. Tonsmann.

See a video on the eyes images, with Dr. Aste Tonsmann.

10 posted on 08/07/2009 4:08:07 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Wife of D
I'm sure Our Lady loves you, too. She is our mother, after all!

Our Lady is the perfect Christian because she made the perfect sacrifice: everything, including her Son. Her duty is to bring God to us, a duty which cost her everything she loved. And all she asks in return is "do whatever He tells you" (John 2:5).

If only I would!

11 posted on 08/07/2009 4:11:55 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer
When Hillary Clinton visited last spring she said "you have a beautiful Madonna here. Who painted it?
12 posted on 08/07/2009 4:11:59 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NYer

I hope the Lady doesn’t forget to rescue this poor nation in spite of the 53 percenters who abandoned her.


13 posted on 08/07/2009 4:16:53 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: hinckley buzzard
When Hillary Clinton visited last spring she said "you have a beautiful Madonna here. Who painted it?

Yes, thanks for the reminder. Hillary has placed her government before her god ... correction .... Hillary has made her government her god.

14 posted on 08/07/2009 4:17:03 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Beautiful pic and quote. Does anyone know the artist’s name?


15 posted on 08/07/2009 4:24:38 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: hinckley buzzard

How did I miss that? What did they say? That is indescribably dense.


16 posted on 08/07/2009 4:32:03 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Steelfish

There is no artist...google the story. It is quite remarkable.

I wish someone would look at her eyes now and see if there is something else in them.


17 posted on 08/07/2009 4:45:39 PM PDT by RummyChick ("Free Speech....is always the deadliest enemy of tyranny" Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black)
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To: RummyChick

Oh sorry, you were talking about the other graphic.


18 posted on 08/07/2009 4:47:20 PM PDT by RummyChick ("Free Speech....is always the deadliest enemy of tyranny" Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’m so sorry, but I did not believe you. I had to look it up for myself.

You are absolutely correct! I am appalled by Clinton.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15511


19 posted on 08/07/2009 5:18:14 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

I used to travel to Mexico a couple of times a year for business (no, I’m not a drug dealer...I had a small jewelry company). Any one with any knowledge of Mexico, and I would assume our SoS would have extensive knowledge of our southern neighbor, knows the importance and story behind Our Lady of the Guadalupe.

What a poseur.


20 posted on 08/07/2009 5:28:14 PM PDT by BelleAl
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To: BelleAl
What a poseur

Poseur = Piece Of Sh*T

21 posted on 08/07/2009 5:38:01 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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To: Steelfish
Yes, it's Martin de Vos, a 16th century Belgian painter from Antwerp.

My favorite is his painting of St. Luke painting the Virgin's portrait:

(you know it's St. Luke by the bull. I do wonder if St. Luke is a self-portrait. I looked but didn't see a de Vos self-portrait on line, but St. Luke looks very Low Country to me.)

22 posted on 08/07/2009 7:20:42 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chasse - TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Just superb. Thanks for the pic.


23 posted on 08/07/2009 7:49:44 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: La Lydia

At last. I’ve been wanting to ask a couple of questions of someone who has seen the original.

I have heard God-haters and Protestants alleging that there are visible brush marks on the image.

I would like to ask, if I may, were you close enough to have seen brush marks if they were there, and, if so, were there brush marks?

Oh, and are there enough commas in the paragraph above?


24 posted on 08/07/2009 8:01:20 PM PDT by dsc (The "t" in the word "often" is silent.)
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To: dsc
No, I couldn't see any brush strokes. The first two times I went, it was still in the old basilica, in a frame, and you could get very, very close. Now the tilma is in a large frame, under glass, with a spotlight on it, in the new basilica. I got as close as I could every time I was there, and couldn't see any brush marks. It is an amazing object. The colors remain fresh. I have been many times and it always moves me to tears. Being there at the basilica on December 12 is quite an experience, if you can tolerate huge crowds. I have been to Fatima and to Lourdes, as well, and Guadalupe seems the most tangible to me.

Why don't you go to Mexico City and see it? There's a lot of other things to do there, too, such as the Archaeology Museum, which I think is the best in the world, Teotehaucan, Chapultepec, the zoo and the castle, Xochimilco, all the Frida stuff.

25 posted on 08/07/2009 8:25:27 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

“Why don’t you go to Mexico City and see it?”

Soitenly. I’ll just dip a bucket into my money bin, and...


26 posted on 08/08/2009 2:32:57 PM PDT by dsc (The "t" in the word "often" is silent.)
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To: La Lydia

But thanks for the reply. I’ve been wanting to ask somebody about that for a long time.


27 posted on 08/08/2009 2:36:25 PM PDT by dsc (The "t" in the word "often" is silent.)
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To: dsc

December 12th is the anniversary of the miracle i believe. And YES.... I do believe!


28 posted on 12/13/2009 5:01:51 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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29 posted on 12/13/2009 5:05:45 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: NYer

I hope to some day visit this miraculous image.


30 posted on 12/13/2009 5:29:26 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
I saw a TV special yesterday on a Cornell Univ. PhD's computer enhancement of Our Lady of Guadalupe's eyes. Opthamologically correct reflections of of Juan Diego, the Bishop of the area at the time, a sitting Indian, a number of other people and, in Our lady's pupil a family with children.

He enhanced the reflections 2500 times... absolutely fascinating and, in my opinion impossible to refute.

31 posted on 12/13/2009 5:40:13 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Bob Eimiller

http://www.sancta.org/eyes.html


32 posted on 12/13/2009 5:41:08 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: NYer

What I do not understand about this image is this: I have heard that when Mary miraculously created it, her image was on the cloak but that, later, artists painted in the golden rays around her. Is this true?

Why would humans think they could possibly improve the miraculous image in any way? How could one dare add a single thing to the image that appeared as Mary wanted it to be?


33 posted on 12/13/2009 5:49:28 PM PST by Melian ("Here's the moral of the story: Catholic witness has a cost." ~Archbishop Charles Chaput)
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To: narses

Yes.. Thanks I have seen that page.... I spent a few hours today reading everything i could find on the incredible miracle of the tilma


34 posted on 12/13/2009 5:52:22 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Melian

Never heard that... I’m quite sure it never happened.


35 posted on 12/13/2009 5:53:46 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: NYer

Our Beautiful Lady of Guadalupe, please pray for us and keep us close.


36 posted on 12/13/2009 6:16:39 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: dsc

if you ask her to get you there, she will...


37 posted on 12/14/2009 4:31:23 AM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than three years now -- But I think about it every day.)
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To: NYer

Our Lady’s humility in saying “yes” to God, and her selection by God to be the mother of Christ, are axiomatic and inspirational. She embodies “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” It was this sentiment that brought Christ into the world - no other could have, or can.

“Behold, the handmaid of the Lord; be it to me according to your word.”


38 posted on 12/14/2009 4:49:06 AM PST by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: Melian
What I do not understand about this image is this: I have heard that when Mary miraculously created it, her image was on the cloak but that, later, artists painted in the golden rays around her. Is this true?

I have never heard that story, nor can I find anything on the internet to justify it. Here is a detailed description of the image and its significance and the results of scientific investigation. Notice, there are NO brush strokes.

     The Image of Our Lady is actually an Aztec
    Pictograph which was read and understood
quickly by the Aztec Indians. 

     1.    THE LADY STOOD IN FRONT OF
            THE SUN
            She was greater than the dreaded
            Huitzilopochtli, their sun-god of war.

     2.    HER FOOT RESTED ON THE
            CRESCENT MOON 
            She had clearly crushed Quetzalcoatl,
            the feathered serpent moon-
            god.                          

3.         THE STARS STREWN ACROSS
            THE MANTLE
            She was greater than the stars of heaven which they worshipped. 
            She was a virgin and the Queen of the heavens for Virgo rests over
            her womb and the northern crown upon her head. She appeared on
           December 12, 1531 and the stars that she wore are the constellations
           of the stars that appeared in the sky that day!

4.         THE BLUE‑GREEN HUE OF HER MANTLE
            She was a Queen because she wears the color of royalty.

5.         THE BLACK CROSS ON THE BROOCH AT HER NECK
            Her God was that of the Spanish Missionaries, Jesus Christ her son
            who died on the cross for all mankind.

6.         THE BLACK BELT
            She was with child because she wore the Aztec Maternity Belt.

7.         THE FOUR PETAL FLOWER OVER THE WOMB
            She was the Mother of God because the flower was a special sy
mbol
            of
life, movement and deity-the center of the universe.

8.         HER HANDS ARE JOINED IN PRAYER
            She was not God but clearly there was one greater than Her and she
            pointed her finger to the cross on her brooch.

9.         THE DESIGN ON HER ROSE COLORED GARMENT
            She is the Queen of the Earth because she is wearing a contour map
            of Mexico telling the Indians exactly where the apparition took place.

The Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe and Science

1.         The image to this date, cannot be explained by science.

2.         The image shows no sign of deterioration after 450 years!
            The tilma or cloak of Saint Juan Diego on which the image of Our
            Lady has been imprinted, is a coarse fabric made from the threads of
            the maguey cactus. This fiber disintegrates within 20-60 years! 

3.         There is no under sketch, no sizing and no protective over-varnish on
            the image.

4.         Microscopic examination revealed that there were no brush strokes.

5.         The image seems to increase in size and change colors due to an
            unknown property of the surface and substance of which it is made.

6.         According to Kodak of Mexico, the image is smooth and feels like
            a modern day photograph.  (Produced 300 years before the invention
            of photography.)

7.         The image has consistently defied exact reproduction, whether by
            brush or camera.

8.         Several images can be seen reflected in the eyes of the Virgin. It is  
            believed to be the images of Juan Diego, Bishop Juan de Zumarraga,
            Juan Gonzales, the interpreter and others.

9.         The distortion and place of the images are identical to what is
            produced in the normal eye which is impossible to obtain on a flat
            surface.

10.       The stars on Our Lady's Mantle coincide with the constellations in the
            sky on  December 12, 1531. All who have scientifically examined the
            image of Our Lady over the centuries confess that its properties are
            absolutely unique and so inexplicable in human terms that the image
            can only be supernatural!

39 posted on 12/14/2009 9:46:02 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: malkee

“if you ask her to get you there, she will...”

Now, see, there’s the rub. People say to pray with confidence, and that you’ll get what you pray for. However, we all know that sometimes the answer to a prayer is, “No.”

It might not be the best thing for our eternal soul, or God might have reasons incomprehensible to mortal man. Whatever the case may be, we don’t get what we pray for, in the way we want it, or at the time we think we need it.

So, I might ask the Blessed Virgin to get me there, and might be told no.


40 posted on 12/14/2009 12:21:57 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

try it and see


41 posted on 12/14/2009 3:28:33 PM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than three years now -- But I think about it every day.)
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To: NYer

Thank you for clarifying that. I was told this many years ago and I haven’t found anything about it. It has always bothered me.


42 posted on 12/14/2009 9:00:59 PM PST by Melian ("Here's the moral of the story: Catholic witness has a cost." ~Archbishop Charles Chaput)
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43 posted on 12/14/2009 9:56:14 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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