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To: topcat54

I’m saying that there is no reason to believe that Israel will disappear in a blaze of Islamic thermonuclear glory because He will keep his promise and protect them from allowing it to happen.

Jeremiah 31:35-36

35 This is what the LORD says,
he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the LORD Almighty is his name:

36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the LORD,
“will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me.”

To summarize this, “As long as the sun shines and the moon gives her light, Israel will continue being a nation before God forever. There is nothing more that hints at the Jews being exiled a second time, or Israel being destroyed again, or Jerusalem being destroyed. It’s existence is just another proof that God exists. Against all odds, against all of the political pressure, Israel should have been wiped out decades, if not centuries ago.

If man can prevent, or try to ruin a promise made by God, then he tries to make God out to be a liar. Satan is behind this. Satan wants people to doubt God, and one way to place doubt in him is to move man to come up with a mistake, or something wrong to make the faith seem imperfect, and just as mediocre as the other ones that have been proven to be imperfect. Christ stands out above all other faiths. He rose from the grave. He is perfect, and He revealed to the prophets in he past the details which would lead to a specific, prophetic conclusion, some of which already happened, and some of which are about to soon happen.


10 posted on 08/15/2009 10:46:29 PM PDT by Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]
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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Lee N. Field; Alex Murphy; raynearhood
I’m saying that there is no reason to believe that Israel will disappear in a blaze of Islamic thermonuclear glory because He will keep his promise and protect them from allowing it to happen.

But where is the unquestionable biblical evidence that the modern secular nation of Israel is that fulfillment of prophecy? From the standpoint of "making sense" there is none. One must first adopt certain presuppositions about "Israel" in order to follow your conclusions.

I will offer two reasons here for the defects in your claims and elaborate on them in another post:. 1) the "nation of Israel" as defined in Bible in no measurable way matches the modern secular state of Israel, 2) it ignores all that the NT teaches about God's holy nation.

11 posted on 08/16/2009 8:50:58 AM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Alex Murphy
As long as the sun shines and the moon gives her light, Israel will continue being a nation before God forever.

How has Israel existed “as a nation forever” in your estimation? Further, we read:

"Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." (Gen. 17:8)

How would you say that this has been fulfilled, given that “Israel” (as you might define it) has only occupied the land for a relatively short period of time since Abraham?

36 posted on 08/20/2009 11:11:02 AM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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