Posted on 09/02/2009 1:49:58 PM PDT by GonzoII
Sounds like a very interesting read. Thanks for posting.
I hope the book is better than the reviewers knowledge of New Hampshire geography.
Sounds interesting.
But what role did Catholics play in forming the institutions of this country? What, for example, did 6th century monks have to do with it?
I’m sorry, but this sounds a lot like Afro-centric history does to me. Interesting facts, but irrelevant to the mainstream of events.
Go St Augustine!
Our town and parish were founded by Spain in 1565, and we’re still going strong...
Do some research on Charles Carroll and see whether our nation would have survived its own birth without him...
Actually, the thinking of Jefferson and most of the other men of the Enlightment were very much shaped by the Catholic theory of natural law (which is essentially the basis of our Constitution and our country).
Jefferson and other people in the English speaking world were also very impressed by the writings of the 17th century Spanish Jesuit, Suarez, who was the first to come up with the idea of the “consent of the governed” as being a prerequisite for governance. He also developed the Christian theory justifying the overthrow of a despotic government.
I don’t know much about him but he is in just about every family tree I have. He has many, many descendants or people who claim to be.
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“All these events happened before the Pilgrims!”
I was going to say that very specifically, the perspective is NEW ENGLAND Protestant.
Indeed, the impression that “pilgrims” were the 1st English settlement in NA is bogus.
The 1st being the mysterious Roanoke, NC and the 2nd - 1st permanent - being JAMESTOWN, VA. Note these were both “south” - indeed, pilgrims were aiming for VA.
But people continue to think of “Plymouth”, “Salem”, etc, when it comes to “1st American...”
Which trickles into the whole “Thanksgiving” thing. Never mind other items of culture, and you’ll find New England has ultimately dominated as far as telling the story.
Well, not mentioned is that the entire colony of MD was founded by Catholics for the purpose of providing Catholic refuge - along with “tolerance” for all, which England was not doing.
Indeed, a secret truth is that Maryland was NOT named for “Henrietta Maria” (bah! Why the 2nd name of a queen?) but for the Virgin Mary.
Oh, do the Democrats here go into shock when they hear that!
Make sure you have the correct Charles. He had to specify himself as “Charles Carroll OF CARROLLTON” to distinguish himself from his contemporary cousin, who replaced him in Congress.
He was the last surviving member of the Signers (he did not vote on it, having just been sent the very day it was signed by Hancock), and he laid the stone of the B&O Railroad in 1828.
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You’re welcome.
Yes, but how does that compare to, say, the number of Anglicans and other Protestants.
The founders of America were overwhelmingly British Protestants, at least nominally.
this is not to disparage the contributions that others made, but still. The Spanish Catholics, the Mexican CAtholics, the Viking Catholics, and the Irish Catholics, etc., while they may have been here, even first, did not play a significant role in the founding of this country, whatever they may have done since.
I didn't intend to get into numbers just facts.
Of course Protestants out-numbered Catholics at the beginning of our Nation, but nonetheless, Catholics did contribute to its founding.
= outnumbered
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