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Protestant Group Predicts the Rise of "New Charlemagne" in Germany
PatrickMadrid ^ | September 7, 2009 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 09/07/2009 4:14:54 PM PDT by NYer



End-times mania and wild-eyed apocalyptic predictions have long been a staple in certain sectors of the Protestant world. In addition to the more mainstream Protestant prognosticators who have made a very comfortable living off their end-times related books and broadcasts (e.g., Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, and Tim LaHaye, to name but three of the more prominent ones), groups which derive from Protestantism, such as Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, also spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to map out the contours of the rise of the Man of Sin and the dire happenings described in the Bible, especially the Book of Revelation.

Lots of contradictory and conflicting predictions result, but the one thing that all of these groups have in common is their fixation on the Catholic Churh as being the fulcrum of end-times activity. This new article by a leader in the Philadelphia Church of God continues in that vein:

Is Germany’s Charlemagne About to Appear?

As I write this article, Germany is just weeks from electing a new chancellor. That election and events to unfold from it are going to bring devastating consequences to this world. A dangerous political structure has been built in the European Union, and it’s about to get a lot worse. History thunders its strongest warning ever! It’s time that people understood that history.

But there is a lot more than history involved in understanding European politics.

What is happening in the European superstate is a mystery to most of the world. But that mystery is beginning to be removed.

Bernard Connolly wrote a bombshell book in 1995 titled The Rotten Heart of Europe. For years he served at the heart of the Exchange Rate Mechanism for the European Union. He headed the commission unit responsible for monitoring and servicing the system. He labels the European superstate as rotten. Since he had a vital job on the inside, his comments deserve our attention.

The Spirit of Charlemagne

“It is the battle for control of the European superstate,” Mr. Connolly wrote, “in which French technocrats confront German federalists, both sides claiming to fight under thebanner of Charlemagne. The ‘collateral damage’ from this battle lies mainly in the future, but it could be ghastly” (emphasis mine throughout).

“It could be ghastly.” That is an understatement!

Who will get control of this great superstate? And just how ghastly is it going to be? The battle can be narrowed down to two nations—France and Germany. Do knowledgeable people really doubt who has already won this battle? The nation that controls the money will reign supreme. Of course, that has already proven to be Germany.

“Across the Rhine, successive German governments have, in their pursuit of a ‘European’ cloak for German ambitions, been prepared to accept an apparent cession of national monetary authority—as long as the new European monetary authority looks, sounds, smells and acts exactly as the German monetary authority now does” (ibid.).

The EU system has already been called a Trojan horse. Mr. Connolly says it is a “cloak for German ambitions.”

Just what are those ambitions? And why should every person on Earth be deeply concerned?

Otto von Habsburg was one of the key figures in creating the European Union. He had this to say about that union: “The [European] Community is living largely by the heritage of the Holy Roman Empire, though the great majority of the people who live by it don’t know by what heritage they live.”

Twenty-seven countries are members of the EU today. Most of them don’t know that they are “living largely by the heritage of the Holy Roman Empire.” It is a mystery to them.

According to Bible prophecy, the number of member nations or groups of nations will be reduced to 10 rulers. There are simply too many nations in the EU now for the Union to be ruled in the spirit of Charlemagne. Only after it has been severely reduced in member countries can the Holy Roman Empire function as it has in its extremely bloody past.

Mr. Habsburg also said, “We possess a European symbol which belongs to all nations of Europe equally; this is the crown of the Holy Roman Empire, which embodies the tradition of Charlemagne.”

Just what is “the tradition of Charlemagne”? It is far from what most people think it is—even Europeans!

Charles the Great

The Franks were the first barbaric tribe to embrace Catholicism, but it was for political gain, not religious reasons. Mostly of Germanic origin, the Franks used the Catholic Church to support their expansionist policies, while the church relied on Frankish rulers for protection. It was a union based on politics alone.

The Frankish kingdom reached the pinnacle of its power during the rule of Charlemagne (Charles the Great). Before Charlemagne’s emergence as world ruler, the political scene in Europe was greatly divided. Germany was sliced into many different tribes. Much of Italy was occupied by the Lombards. Byzantium was recognized as the successor to the eastern region of the old Roman Empire. Charlemagne, in conjunction with the papal throne, eventually changed all that—but not without much bloodshed.

Historians call his rule the First Reich—even though Charlemagne was the second ruler of the Holy Roman Empire. Adolf Hitler’s rule became known as the Third Reich.

Charlemagne felt it his duty to defend the church. In 774, at the request of Pope Leoiii, he entered northern Italy and conquered the Lombard kingdom, uniting Italy for the first time in centuries. In 799, he again came to the aid of the pope, who was assaulted, brutally beaten, and thrown into prison by a band of conspirators. With the military backing of Charles and his Frankish troops, the pope was exonerated of all wrongdoing and reinstated to his ecclesiastic office.

The following year, in Rome, while Charlemagne was kneeling in prayer during a Christmas celebration inside old St. Peter’s Church, the pope placed a crown upon his head, pronouncing him “the 73rd emperor of the fourth world empire.”

At this point, we should note that throughout the Middle Ages, many scholars, theologians, even popes, knew the Roman Empire was the fourth world-ruling kingdom.Many of them even identified this fourth kingdom with the one Daniel spoke of in his prophecy (see Daniel 2:37-43). That’s why Europeans and Catholics kept trying to revive the empire! The Bible said there would only be four such empires. However, the fourth empire would have 10 resurrections, according to Bible prophecy. The last seven of those resurrections would be called Holy Roman Empires, because they were ruled by church and state.

As king of the Franks, Charlemagne was able to subjugate every single German tribe but one: the Saxons. The Saxons clung to their own faith and refused, even on pain of death, to submit to Roman Catholicism. Charlemagne determined to force his brand of Christianity on them with the sword. For years the Saxons obstinately resisted. At one point, out of sheer frustration, Charlemagne executed 4,500 Saxon prisoners. This barbarous act angered the Saxons even more.

It took 30 years for Charles to completely extinguish the “Saxon” problem, but not before multiple thousands had been executed for their religious beliefs. After more than 18 conquests against the Saxons, Charles finally prevailed. In the end, Saxons either subjected themselves to the rule of Charles, or their defiance ended in death.

The Holy Roman Empire has never been democratic. It could never be. Even Pope Pius xiisaid the church had twin enemies: the democracies and communism. He was pope at the peak of Communist power.

As emperor of the “Holy” Roman Empire, Charles felt it his duty to spread the Christian faith using whatever means necessary. The New Encyclopedia Britannica says, “The violent methods by which this missionary task was carried out had been unknown to the earlier Middle Ages, and the sanguinary [bloody] punishment meted out to those who broke canon law or continued to engage in pagan practices called forth criticism in Charles’ own circle” (“Charlemagne, Emperor”).

The violence Charlemagne used to enforce the Catholic religion on his subjects was simply unknown in earlier empires! He forced his brand of Christianity on everyone. His empire may have had distinct ties to the ancient Romans, but it was certainly not “holy”—even if there was a great church guiding it.

And yet, for centuries to come, the aim of succeeding emperors was to restore the traditions of Charlemagne in their quest to revive the Roman Empire!

Even today, Germany and a great church are working to restore the tradition of Charlemagne. They have almost completed the structure. Still, it is a mystery to most of the world’s inhabitants.

Let the world beware! That power structure is ready to burst on the world scene—again!

Charlemagne’s bloody conquests were the worst ever in the history of the previous empires. The conquests of the next Holy Roman Empire are going to be the worst suffering ever inflicted on human beings in the history of man! (Matthew 24:21-22; Daniel 12:1; Jeremiah 30:1-10).

It will all be done in the spirit of Charlemagne. Most people won’t awaken out of their stupor until it’s too late! . . .

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To: Houghton M.

You wrote:

“Late medieval. Not during the time of the German/Roman Empire.”

First, there was no such thing as the “German/Roman Empire”. Second, late medieval or not, there were bureaucracies.

“The books you cite deal with the late Middle Ages.”

And you’re point is what? Is late medieval some how not medieval? You yourself wrote: “There were no bureaucracies in the Middle Ages.” Middle Ages. Not “Early Middle Ages”. Notice your own comment?

“They had chanceries, yes. But if you think that the government apparatus, record-keeping, administration of as king or bishop in the Middle Ages was anything remotely like a modern bureaucracy, you’re crazier than Joe Biden.”

Where did I ever suggest that medieval bureaucracies were like modern ones?

“They could never have fathomed what we mean by bureaucracy. It was not thinkable.”

Actually I think they could have imagined it and fathomed it quite well.


41 posted on 09/10/2009 3:31:13 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Yes, the was a Roman Empire of the German Nation in the Middle Ages.

Bureaucracy is a modern invention. Sorry, it just is. Its beginnings lie in the later Middle Ages, 1400s, and it is a mark of the early modern. That’s how historians define the early modern. And that’s what your books deal with.

But why bother with some historical facts?


42 posted on 09/11/2009 5:39:49 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

Between the two of us I am the one dealing with facts.


43 posted on 09/11/2009 5:55:20 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

No you aren’t.


44 posted on 09/12/2009 6:28:01 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

Yeah, actually I am.

The Middle Ages is still the Middle Ages - no matter how late in the Middle Ages it is.

You can try to change the rules late in the game, but too late. You said Middle Ages, not modern period.

I already posted evidence about bureaucracy in the Middle Ages and no matter how small it was compared to MODERN bureaucracy it was STILL bureaucracy. Period.

I was right all along.


45 posted on 09/12/2009 6:35:56 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

No you aren’t.


46 posted on 09/12/2009 8:35:20 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: NYer
The linked article is from a small cultic sabbatarian group in Oklahoma headed by a man named Gerald R. Flurry founder of The Philadelphia Church of God.

Gerald Flurry has an unnatural affection for a man who died back in the 1980's named Herbert W. Armstrong. Armstrong had a long list of failed prophecies including Germany winning WWII. Armstrong also prophesied this Charlemagne would return around 1972 as leader of Germany and Jesus Christ would return in the middle 1970's. Armstrong also prophesied a German politician Franz Joseph Strauss would be this Charlemagne (Strauss died in 1988).

Since he got started in the 1930's, Armstrong always preached the World was about to end. He constantly fearmongering more and more money from members to help the "end time work" only to spent members tithes on himself, his cronies, opulent buildings, homes and Gulfstream jets.

Herbert W. Armstrong brought his son Garner Ted into the business but Garner Ted caused so much trouble with his drinking, gambling and preying on female students that the elder Armstrong had to fire him. Garner Ted Armstrong went on to found his own church where he continued his wild ways most notably assaulting a masseuse while wanking himself. In one of his more notable stories, Gerald Rivera caught the pervert Garner Ted Armstrong on film.

Like Armstrong before him, Gerald R. Flurry preaches the end of the world is near. He continually tries to fearmonger more tithe and offering money from his members for the "final push" before the Great Tribulation begins and Christ returns only to turn around and spend it buying more land, building more opulent buildings, building elegant homes for he and his cronies and his general ego gratification.

By the way, a few years back, Gerald Flurry was found by a police officer passed out drunk in an Oklahoma college campus. Gerald Flurry never explained what he was doing on a Saturday night away from his wife and kids getting drunk on a college campus.

47 posted on 09/19/2009 6:03:48 PM PDT by fso301
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To: NYer; All
The linked article is from a small cultic apocalyptic sabbatarian group in Oklahoma headed by a man named Gerald R. Flurry who founded of The Philadelphia Church of God.

Gerald Flurry has an unnatural affection for a man who died back in the 1980's named Herbert W. Armstrong. Armstrong had a long list of failed prophecies including Germany winning WWII. Armstrong also prophesied this Charlemagne would return around 1972 as leader of Germany and Jesus Christ would return in the middle 1970's. Armstrong also prophesied a German politician Franz Joseph Strauss would be this Charlemagne (Strauss died in 1988).

Since he got started in the 1930's, Armstrong always preached the World was about to end. He constantly fearmongering more and more money from members to help the "end time work" only to spent members tithes on himself, his cronies, opulent buildings, homes and Gulfstream jets.

Herbert W. Armstrong brought his son Garner Ted into the business but Garner Ted caused so much trouble with his drinking, gambling and preying on female students that the elder Armstrong had to fire him. Garner Ted Armstrong went on to found his own church where he continued his wild ways most notably assaulting a masseuse while wanking himself. In one of his more notable stories, Gerald Rivera caught the pervert Garner Ted Armstrong on film.

Like Armstrong before him, Gerald R. Flurry preaches the end of the world is near. He continually tries to fearmonger more tithe and offering money from his members for the "final push" before the Great Tribulation begins and Christ returns only to turn around and spend it buying more land, building more opulent buildings, building elegant homes for he and his cronies and his general ego gratification.

By the way, a few years back, Gerald Flurry was found by a police officer passed out drunk in an Oklahoma college campus. Gerald Flurry never explained what he was doing on a Saturday night away from his wife and kids getting drunk on a college campus.

48 posted on 09/19/2009 6:07:41 PM PDT by fso301
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