Posted on 09/07/2009 4:14:54 PM PDT by NYer
You wrote:
“Late medieval. Not during the time of the German/Roman Empire.”
First, there was no such thing as the “German/Roman Empire”. Second, late medieval or not, there were bureaucracies.
“The books you cite deal with the late Middle Ages.”
And you’re point is what? Is late medieval some how not medieval? You yourself wrote: “There were no bureaucracies in the Middle Ages.” Middle Ages. Not “Early Middle Ages”. Notice your own comment?
“They had chanceries, yes. But if you think that the government apparatus, record-keeping, administration of as king or bishop in the Middle Ages was anything remotely like a modern bureaucracy, you’re crazier than Joe Biden.”
Where did I ever suggest that medieval bureaucracies were like modern ones?
“They could never have fathomed what we mean by bureaucracy. It was not thinkable.”
Actually I think they could have imagined it and fathomed it quite well.
Yes, the was a Roman Empire of the German Nation in the Middle Ages.
Bureaucracy is a modern invention. Sorry, it just is. Its beginnings lie in the later Middle Ages, 1400s, and it is a mark of the early modern. That’s how historians define the early modern. And that’s what your books deal with.
But why bother with some historical facts?
Between the two of us I am the one dealing with facts.
No you aren’t.
Yeah, actually I am.
The Middle Ages is still the Middle Ages - no matter how late in the Middle Ages it is.
You can try to change the rules late in the game, but too late. You said Middle Ages, not modern period.
I already posted evidence about bureaucracy in the Middle Ages and no matter how small it was compared to MODERN bureaucracy it was STILL bureaucracy. Period.
I was right all along.
No you aren’t.
Gerald Flurry has an unnatural affection for a man who died back in the 1980's named Herbert W. Armstrong. Armstrong had a long list of failed prophecies including Germany winning WWII. Armstrong also prophesied this Charlemagne would return around 1972 as leader of Germany and Jesus Christ would return in the middle 1970's. Armstrong also prophesied a German politician Franz Joseph Strauss would be this Charlemagne (Strauss died in 1988).
Since he got started in the 1930's, Armstrong always preached the World was about to end. He constantly fearmongering more and more money from members to help the "end time work" only to spent members tithes on himself, his cronies, opulent buildings, homes and Gulfstream jets.
Herbert W. Armstrong brought his son Garner Ted into the business but Garner Ted caused so much trouble with his drinking, gambling and preying on female students that the elder Armstrong had to fire him. Garner Ted Armstrong went on to found his own church where he continued his wild ways most notably assaulting a masseuse while wanking himself. In one of his more notable stories, Gerald Rivera caught the pervert Garner Ted Armstrong on film.
Like Armstrong before him, Gerald R. Flurry preaches the end of the world is near. He continually tries to fearmonger more tithe and offering money from his members for the "final push" before the Great Tribulation begins and Christ returns only to turn around and spend it buying more land, building more opulent buildings, building elegant homes for he and his cronies and his general ego gratification.
By the way, a few years back, Gerald Flurry was found by a police officer passed out drunk in an Oklahoma college campus. Gerald Flurry never explained what he was doing on a Saturday night away from his wife and kids getting drunk on a college campus.
Gerald Flurry has an unnatural affection for a man who died back in the 1980's named Herbert W. Armstrong. Armstrong had a long list of failed prophecies including Germany winning WWII. Armstrong also prophesied this Charlemagne would return around 1972 as leader of Germany and Jesus Christ would return in the middle 1970's. Armstrong also prophesied a German politician Franz Joseph Strauss would be this Charlemagne (Strauss died in 1988).
Since he got started in the 1930's, Armstrong always preached the World was about to end. He constantly fearmongering more and more money from members to help the "end time work" only to spent members tithes on himself, his cronies, opulent buildings, homes and Gulfstream jets.
Herbert W. Armstrong brought his son Garner Ted into the business but Garner Ted caused so much trouble with his drinking, gambling and preying on female students that the elder Armstrong had to fire him. Garner Ted Armstrong went on to found his own church where he continued his wild ways most notably assaulting a masseuse while wanking himself. In one of his more notable stories, Gerald Rivera caught the pervert Garner Ted Armstrong on film.
Like Armstrong before him, Gerald R. Flurry preaches the end of the world is near. He continually tries to fearmonger more tithe and offering money from his members for the "final push" before the Great Tribulation begins and Christ returns only to turn around and spend it buying more land, building more opulent buildings, building elegant homes for he and his cronies and his general ego gratification.
By the way, a few years back, Gerald Flurry was found by a police officer passed out drunk in an Oklahoma college campus. Gerald Flurry never explained what he was doing on a Saturday night away from his wife and kids getting drunk on a college campus.
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