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Does DNA disprove Lehi story?
Mormon Times ^ | Sept. 18, 2009 | Michael De Groote

Posted on 09/18/2009 1:16:28 PM PDT by Colofornian

First in a series of four articles

Somewhere among the varied coasts of the two American continents was landfall for a small group of ancient Israelite seafarers led by a prophet named Lehi.

Whether they stepped upon the sands of an empty or crowded continent is at the heart of the DNA debate over the historical nature of the Book of Mormon.

Ugo Perego, an Italian-born researcher in human genetics, tries to look with a scientist's eye at the controversy surrounding DNA and the Book of Mormon.

He is a bit impatient with some of the strong conclusions of some critics and LDS apologists. There is too little data. We need to be cautious.

"I see that from both the critics' side and the LDS side there is quite a bit of misunderstanding on the subject," Perego said. "We should not fight over it. It seems to me to be almost a waste of time that people will actually entertain the thoughts that either DNA can prove or disprove the Book of Mormon."

The first rumblings about DNA and the Book of Mormon came about 10 years ago, according to Perego, a senior researcher at Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation.

Critics cobbled together data from a variety of early DNA studies and came to the unsurprising conclusion that the studies indicated an Asian origin for Native Americans.

This, the critics argued, proved that the Book of Mormon was false. They claimed that the book says the continent was empty and if it was empty, then all Native Americans should have Lehi's Israelite DNA, not Asian DNA.

However, for about 50 years most LDS scholars have argued that the Book of Mormon took place not in vast empty continents, but in a limited-geographical area in Mesoamerica.

"Some people in the church still believe that all Native Americans, from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego, are descendants of Lehi, and that the double continent was completely empty when Lehi and his family came and therefore all the Native Americans who were here at the time of Columbus' arrival are descendants of Lehi," Perego said. "If that was true, then the critics would be right."

But if that wasn't the case, if Lehi's group came to a crowded continent, then Perego says the critics' arguments fall apart.

"It is very likely that Lehi came in an area that was not inhabited. He could have come to an area that would fit the 30 to 50 people who were in his party and allow them to settle in and start living," Perego said. "Probably, at the beginning, there was some interest in keeping the family together and marrying within the family. But pretty soon, as they began to spread, there was some integration of the surrounding population into Lehi's family."

The types of answers you receive depend upon the questions you ask, according to Perego. "If the question is, 'Are Native Americans of Asian origin?' The answer is, 'Yes.' (If the question is), 'Are Native Americans of Israelite origin?' The answer is, 'No.'"

Perego says the critic will then say, "OK. I've got my answers. I'm happy! Thank you! I'll put it in my book. The Book of Mormon is incorrect."

But, according to Perego, there are other questions to ask which bear more directly to the plausibility of the Book of Mormon narrative.

"Try to ask this question to a population geneticist: 'Is it possible that a small family from Israel could have arrived in America, to a largely populated continent, and that no genetic evidence would survive after 2,600 years?'" Perego says. "Why don't they ask that question? That is exactly the question they need to ask."

Critics will counter that this is not an important question because they say Mormons believe that all Native Americans are only descended from Lehi.

This exposes the irony of the critics' arguments. Their argument doesn't rest primarily on DNA, but on the critics' rigid -- even strangely fundamentalist -- interpretation of the Book of Mormon. For their criticism to be correct you have no choice -- you must believe the continent was empty.

In other words, to believe the critics are right about DNA, you must believe they are right about their narrow interpretation of the Book of Mormon and statements by select general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"We might someday (find) a big sign that says 'Welcome to Zarahemla.' ... And the critics will find a way to go around that and Mormons will jump all over it. But the issues with the DNA are different. We really don't know what Lehi's genetic signature was. ... We know that there were others here."

Next week: How DNA is traced


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: america; antimormonthread; bookofmormon; dna; lds
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To: wintertime

Then hey cousin. My grandfathers people where on the boat.


21 posted on 09/18/2009 4:58:49 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: Alex Murphy
Maybe that region is like El Dorado or Shangri-La, and exists isolated from space and time!

Or Kolob??

22 posted on 09/18/2009 4:58:57 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with ACORN's help.)
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To: greyfoxx39

That’s Todd.


23 posted on 09/18/2009 5:00:08 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: svcw

Well, their kids would be descendants of Lehi then. Let’s go back and baptize all their ancestor, k?


24 posted on 09/18/2009 5:02:18 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with ACORN's help.)
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To: wintertime

Implausible? No one is suggesting that counting skills in the BoM are implausible. If you payed more attention perhaps you would have realize that people are saying the problem is that Mormons consider Smith's fictions plausible AT ALL. The counting skills of fictional characters are not in question.

As far as numbers and counting in the OT being incorrect, which numbers are wrong?

25 posted on 09/18/2009 5:23:51 PM PDT by delacoert (Good health to your belly button.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Sarah’s husband is the one with the “Alaskan native ancestors”

Sarah’s family came from mainland USA...

Sarah’s five beautiful children and Bristol’s baby are all descendants too...


26 posted on 09/18/2009 6:00:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
It is an intriguing thought. A work of fiction, ie the Book of Mormonites, being disproved by DNA. Has DNA been used to disprove the fiction writings of L.Ron Hubbard of Scientology? Is this a common practice in disproving various American cults?

We have a reverse role than the detectives utilizing DNA to discover the who-done-it culprits: who-didn't-do-it (live the Book of Mormon life)

27 posted on 09/18/2009 7:26:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw

We probably are, along with about 50 million other people. :-)


28 posted on 09/18/2009 8:01:02 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Colofornian
They won't ask as to how that evidence supposedly extinguished among millions -- just how it disappeared from an original "small family"
30 posted on 09/18/2009 10:47:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
The obvious question is, "How do you lose the genetic link of millions of people who allegedly have not mixed their blood with another culture?"

They all DIED; you foul ANTI!

--MormonDude(even people fooled by KINDERHOOK would know THIS!)

31 posted on 09/18/2009 10:49:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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