Are those two different places? Jesus cried out that God had forsaken Him; for the Son of God that would be pure torture, Hell on Earth, so to speak. Protestantism generally holds that Hell is a spiritual place; why not on the Cross?
My understanding of Jesus crying out “My God, my God why have you forsaken me” is that any Jew watching this crucifixion would have known he was quoting Psalm 22. The words should be taken in the context of that Psalm to understand it fully.
PSLAM 22
1 My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.
2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer; And by night, but I have no rest.
3 Yet You are holy, O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.
4 In You our fathers trusted; They trusted and You delivered them.
5 To You they cried out and were delivered; In You they trusted and were not disappointed.
6 But I am a worm and not a man, A reproach of men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me sneer at me; They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,
8 “Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him; Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”
9 Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb;
You made me trust when upon my mother’s breasts.
10 Upon You I was cast from birth; You have been my God from my mother’s womb.
11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near; For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
13 They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws; And You lay me in the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me;
18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.
19 But You, O LORD, be not far off; O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword, My only life from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion’s mouth; From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.
22 I will tell of Your name to my brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him; All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel.
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from him; But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.
25 From You comes my praise in the great assembly; I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him.
26 The afflicted will eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the LORD Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
28 For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive.
30 Posterity will serve Him; It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation.
31 They will come and will declare His righteousness To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.
An interesting question. However, if you understand that Christ bore the sins of the Elect only His body on the cross, then you understand why they are still on the others. The Lord Jesus Christ told the Pharisees "Unless you believe that I am He - You will die in your sins". Thus for the non-elect their sins follow them into that most awful place. But for the Elect, their stripes were borne on the cross by their Savior.
The idea that Christ paid for every-ones sins is currently the liberal loophole to allow all forms of adultery and perversion into the church. The understanding that the Christ died for the sins of the whole world makes sense when you see that it is the Elect of the whole world otherwise Christ's words to the Pharisees makes no sense - for how would their sins jump off the cross and back onto them? No- their sins never left them but followed for eternity.
He assumes in Hell. We say it is on the Cross
Are those two different places? Jesus cried out that God had forsaken Him; for the Son of God that would be pure torture, Hell on Earth, so to speak. Protestantism generally holds that Hell is a spiritual place; why not on the Cross?
I think the core confusion here is people confuse Hell and Hades (Sheol in OT).
Nobody is in Hell at the moment. Nobody. When people die they go to Hades, not Hell. At the last judgement those in Hades will be cast into Hell. 1 Peter 4:6 speaks of “preaching the gospel to the dead”. Where are the dead? Not Hell, but Hades.
As far as Hell being seperation from God, I think you can make a good Biblical case (but not prove 100%) that the ultimate punishment in Hell is total seperation from God. So you can make the case (but again, not prove it 100%) that when Jesus said “Father, why have you forsaken me” he was seperated from God, and thus suffering the punishment those condemned to Hell will one day suffer.
You can prove that Jesus’ suffering on the cross and death was sufficient to cover all sin. The Bible does make that clear.
It is well worth you time to do a Bible study on Hades/Sheol and Hell. A lot of misconceptions float around because people confuse the two (unfortuanly, the KJV translates everything as Hell, but with the help of a Strong’s concordance you can diffentiate the two even using a KJV.)