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1 posted on 09/24/2009 8:55:55 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Religion Moderator
I realize that making this a Jewish/Noachide caucused thread may be problematic because it explains another religion, but I simply don't want the thread derailed by post after post after post after post quoting the "new testament" to "prove" this or that and to proselytize. That would completely bury the purpose of the article.

Please be as lenient as you can on this one. I will accept your decision nonetheless.

2 posted on 09/24/2009 8:59:19 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Shuvah, Yisra'el, `ad HaShem 'Eloqeykha; ki khashalta ba`avonekha.)
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I’m not certain why, if you no longer believe that Christ is the Messiah, you honor His title by inserting an asterisk as you do a dash for “God”. This really is not a jab, I really would like to know the rationale for it. It seems to me that if not spelling the name of God comports with traditional honor to the Almighty, not spelling the name of Christ would accord Him the same honor: that He is the Almighty.

Truly not an antagonistic question.

Colonel, USAFR


5 posted on 09/24/2009 9:29:14 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I admire all the effort you put into that.


6 posted on 09/24/2009 9:42:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steam goes up, water goes down, and you shouldn't hit catz.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
In the Fundamentalist chr*stian worldview, every human being born into the world since the sin in the Garden is born "damned."

I’ll just point out, for the record, that everything you have said about fundamentalist Christians or, more specifically fundamentalist Protestants, has been standard-issue Christian theology for 2000 years. It is unnecessary to label it as “fundamentalist”.

Fact is, it is the liberals who called themselves Christians who are the new kids on the block and have deconstructed the Christian faith into something more to their personal liking.

Liberal “Christians” are theologically akin to rabbinic Jews who abandoned the objective truth of God’s Word and covenant in favor of a religion more to their liking and circumstances. They have even duped some gentiles into their way of thinking.

10 posted on 09/24/2009 10:45:50 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
a video at his web site (otherwise I could not share this information) in which he says that no matter

Care to share the web site/video?

20 posted on 09/24/2009 11:39:16 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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Christianity and Judaism are complementary and essential to each other. Without the foundation of Judaism and the Old Testament, Christianity is little more than a Hellenistic mystery cult and the Jews are a minor ethnic group distinguished by an obscure faith limited to themselves. Without Christianity, knowledge and belief in God is restricted to Jews instead of attaining the universality of a true God.

Customary Jewish popular thinking about Christianity is out of touch and deeply misinformed. In contrast, leading conservative Christian and Jewish intellectuals today regard each others' faith with deep appreciation. Commentary regularly demonstrates sympathy for Christianity, and First Things similarly demonstrates sympathy for Judaism.

21 posted on 09/24/2009 11:51:40 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Zionist Conspirator

ZC,

Can you do me a favor?

You always post “chr*stians”. Why?

What I am asking is this: Do you believe Jesus is God?


30 posted on 09/24/2009 2:33:10 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Hello, Zioniest Conspirator. Most interesting post. You have some aspects of Christianity correct. But you have misunderstood some others. Even thought these misunderstandings are subtle, they are important. First of all, correct Christian theology does not put the blame on the devil for man’s sinful condition. Further, God did not, in fact, create man “perfect.” The Bible never says that. It says He created everything “good” or “very good.” God, did in reality, create man with the ability to sin—because he created him with free will. Just what happened to mankind at the Fall as described in Genesis is not well-defined either by the Bible or by Christian theologians, so speculation about it is pointless. Let it be simply said that the Bible—including the Old Testament—in numerous places teaches that all men are sinful. Just a few Old Testament passages: Gen 6:5, 8:11, 1 Kngs 8:46, Job 14:1-4, 25:2-6, Ps 14, Ps 51:3-5, 58:3-5, 143:1-2, Pr 14:12, Ecc 7:20, Is 53:6, 55:8-9, 59:2, 64:6, Jer 17:9, Dan 9:1-11.

You have also mischaracterized the doctrine of justification. Even Calvinists, who believe that those saved are chosen by God, believe that one must persevere (in faith and love, etc by free will) during one’s life to enter heaven.

You are invited to check out our website: http://www.faithfacts.org/bible-101/christian-cram-course


54 posted on 09/25/2009 4:38:04 AM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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>They don’t understand that G-d, by His Blessed Will, intentionally created this lowest of all worlds with all its imperfections (even before the sin in the Garden). They have never heard of the first sin in history being committed by the ground before man was even created, or of the envy of the moon, or that HaShem Himself mandated a “sin offering” in His own behalf for having reduced the moon. They do not understand that G-d created the yetzer hara` and placed it within Adam before the commandment not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge had even been given.<

Thank God they are “Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” (Titus 1:14)

From the Babylonian Talmud comes these warnings about demons, sex, and epileptic children (most from http://www.seekgod.ca/embracnotal.htm)

Gittin 70a “On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic.”

Gittin 69a To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.

Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy (”catarrh”) a Jew should “take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog’s excrement as it loosens the limbs. (Michael A. Hoffman II & Alan R. Critchley)

b. Erubuin 18b: Rabbi Jeremia ben Eleazer said, “During those years (after their expulsion from the Garden) in which Adam, the first man Was separated from Eve, he became the father of ghouls and demons and lilin.” Rabbi Meir said, “Adam, the first man, being very pious and finding that he has caused death to come into the world, sat fasting for 130 years, and separated himself from his wife for 130 years, and wore fig vines for 130 years. His fathering of evil spirits, referred to here, came as a result of wet dreams.”

Shab. 151b states:

” One may not sleep alone in a house, for Lilith takes hold of whoever sleeps alone in the house.”

Baba Bathra 73-b continues with:

Rabba bar bar Hana said, “I once saw Hormin, a son of Lilith, running on the battlements of Mahoza…. When the demonic government heard of it, they killed him [for showing himself].”

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

God had set Adam to name every beast, bird and other living thing. When they passed before him in pairs, male and female, Adam-being already like a twenty-year-old man-felt jealous of their loves, and though he tried coupling with each female in turn, found no satisfaction in the act. He therefore cried: ‘Every creature but I has a proper matel’, and prayed God would remedy this injustice. Gen. Rab. 17.4; B. Yebamot 632.

More on lilith here: http://gnosis.org/lilith.htm

Chullin 59b exists as a discussion about a giant deer and a giant lion which are both originated in a mythical forest called “Dvei Ilai”. The deer is called “keresh”. The lion, called “tigris”, is said to be so big that there is space of 9 feet between the lobes of his lung. The Roman Caesar Hadrian once asked a Rabbi to show him this lion, since every lion can be killed, but the Rabbi refused and pointed out that this is not a normal lion. The Roman Caesar insisted, so the Rabbi called for the lion of “Dvei Ilai”. He roared once from a distance of 400 amot and all the city walls of Rome tumbled down.

Sanhedrin 90a

mishnah. all Israel have a portion in the world to come,29 for it is written, thy people are all righteous; they shall inherit the land for ever,death is not real (385, 388)

“Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament (”uncanonical books”) will have no portion in the world to come.” http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_90.html


64 posted on 09/25/2009 8:09:53 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof: - Prv. 28:2)
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What are you saying? Should Jews advise the rest of humanity to the Noachide Laws and to polytheism?

86 posted on 09/30/2009 1:23:42 PM PDT by delacoert (Good health to your belly button.)
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bump


96 posted on 10/01/2009 1:16:58 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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