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To: Marie2

You wrote:

“The Pope killed no one with his own strength, so far as I know. Yet death sentences were common and many were killed for the crime of heresy.”

That still means the pope killed no one. You were wrong...again.

“I understand it was up to him who got a death sentence and who did not.”

Then your understanding is even more incorrect than I thought.

“Heresy included such things as denying the infamous indulgences where people were pressed to give money to spring their loved ones from purgatory.”

No one was pressed. Again, we see you are unfamiliar with the history involved. How could anyone be pressed for money when money was not absoultely necessary for indulgences and all giving was voluntary?

“I am not sure how you can defend that horrible practice.”

Where did I ever defend the selling of indulgences? Again, we see you are simply making up things I never said. That’s the second time you’ve done that now. I defy you to show where I EVER defended the sale of indulgences. When you fail - and you will - what will that tell us about your tactics here?

“Nothing to kill a man over.”

Was Luther ever killed over it? Again, you’re making things up.

“But I have gone and done it, I stand before you all a thread hijacker.”

I don’t mind the highjacking so much as I mind the falsehoods you are posting.


60 posted on 10/02/2009 11:21:25 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“Where did I ever defend the selling of indulgences?”

Well, you said you did not agree with Luther’s 95 theses and he was a heretic. It was the RC church that pushed indulgences. You say it was voluntary? To be told by the only spiritual authorities you know that your loved ones were in agony in purgatory and the only way to get them out was to pay indulgences? That’s extortion of the worst kind.

It was my understanding that popes over the years ordered death penalties for those not obedient to the papal bulls. Am I incorrect? I am willing to be corrected. I think of the Inquisition, for example, which I believe was done under the auspices of the RC church.

I did not claim Luther was killed. He was I think legitimately afraid for his life and attempts were made on his life.

You seem to think I just want to attack the RCs. I don’t hate them and I think they have many issues they have been great on and some excellent heroes. In the pro-life and traditional marriage fight we have been allies, not just for the issue, but for the same reasons, I believe. They have done some great, great work and I am not interested in bashing them to death.

I am just trying to defend Coral Ridge, and other Christian churches, from being taunted when a division occurs, as though that is exclusive to them. I am not affiliated with Coral Ridge.


61 posted on 10/03/2009 12:01:55 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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