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Does the Church teach two Gospels?
http://www.torahtimes.org/gospel101.html ^ | 10/25/2009 | Daniel Gregg

Posted on 10/25/2009 1:24:33 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg

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O.k. let's see the fireworks fly.
1 posted on 10/25/2009 1:24:34 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg
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Easy Question: Jesus said Repent and believe the Gospel Mark 1:15. Jesus said it was singular I will stick with him.


2 posted on 10/25/2009 1:39:07 PM PDT by vicar7
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Let me just quote one very important verse that can't possibly be taken in more ways than one. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved". Not believe and give,not believe and be good and do deeds, not go door to door and bug people, but simply believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Forget sin, every sin that has ever been committed or will ever be committed was forgiven at the cross. (when He died for the sins of the world)

The question will not be "how much sin did you commit", "how much good did you do", but "what did you do with my Son".

3 posted on 10/25/2009 1:43:10 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: Daniel Gregg
God has no reason to consider anyone perfectly righteous when they are not actually perfectly righteous unless the reason for being of the doctrine is to issue an acquittal and declare the "believer" innocent!

Ping for later

4 posted on 10/25/2009 1:47:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: vicar7
Easy Question: Jesus said Repent and believe the Gospel Mark 1:15. Jesus said it was singular I will stick with him.

I gather by this that you think repentance is a one time thing? The Greek μετανοειτε in Mark 1:15 is in the present tense. This Greek tense is use in both the senses of the English simple present and present progressive. So I would render it a imperative present progressive: Be repenting

Unless I am mistaken then, clearly with the belief that you need repent only once you believe that God has a righteous vision of you and you need do nothing further to be righteous.

5 posted on 10/25/2009 1:53:11 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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Your right there are two gospels recorded in the Bible (actually more than two). Your wrong about everything else you wrote beyond there are two gospels.


6 posted on 10/25/2009 2:08:18 PM PDT by PoloSec (2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, ri)
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To: All; Godzilla

“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.”

Apostle Paul to the Romans


7 posted on 10/25/2009 2:09:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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Proverbs 6:16-19 (New International Version)

16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:

17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,

18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,

19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.


8 posted on 10/25/2009 2:11:15 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: fish hawk
Not believe and give,not believe and be good and do deeds, not go door to door and bug people, but simply believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Forget sin, every sin that has ever been committed or will ever be committed was forgiven at the cross.

You state the 'believe only' tradition well. I alluded to the fact in the article that πιστευω does not mean "believe" in the NT. It means "to commit" and is so translated by the KJV 7x. For example:

KJV John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

So a proper English translation of the text you quoted is, "Commit to the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved"

This of course imlies more than intellectual assent. It implies total loyalty and support to Christ. As such πιστευω implies repentance.

The question will not be "how much sin did you commit", "how much good did you do", but "what did you do with my Son".

The question is likely to be a bit more specific than that. It will be, "Why did you turn the pardon available in My Son into a legal Acquittal"

9 posted on 10/25/2009 2:11:54 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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I often wonder how modern Christianity would be different if Paul was removed. To me, it seems the majority of Churches have given Paul an equal if not higher place than Christ.


10 posted on 10/25/2009 2:13:30 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (To liberals if something is a complete and utter disaster, it's because there's not enough of it.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.” Apostle Paul to the Romans

Boomerang!

11 posted on 10/25/2009 2:19:22 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

KJV Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.


12 posted on 10/25/2009 2:20:57 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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KJV Proverbs 17:15 “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.”

Daniel,
I ain’t calling you just or wicked - just observing
your threads seem to focus on things that foster
dissension among br’ers.
ampu


13 posted on 10/25/2009 2:36:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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< rhetorical_question>Where've we heard this before?< /rhetorical_question>
We don't believe in TULIP. Calvinism is a cult. We can get along with them, but through bitter experience have found that they WILL not get along with us.

Got that right.

Good luck with that Law keeping stuff. Tell us how it works out, why doncha?

14 posted on 10/25/2009 2:50:00 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: Daniel Gregg
“commit” or “believe” , matters not upon which I stated. Pick your own semantics. I stated a Biblical truth. Both make sense to me and does not change a thing.
15 posted on 10/25/2009 3:10:53 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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I resent your post #1. As a good Christian, which I suspect you are by your thread, by what you state in post one looks as though you are throwing this out to see how much argument you can stir up. (or “fireworks” as you call it)
16 posted on 10/25/2009 3:14:57 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: fish hawk

“by what you state in post one looks as though you are throwing this out to see how much argument you can stir up. (or “fireworks” as you call it)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2370650/posts?page=13#13


17 posted on 10/25/2009 3:34:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Daniel Gregg

Tis a one time thing: turning going to other way. change of heart or mind that leads to change of direction. Believe means trust in rely on. Gospel is Jesus came as God in the flesh to die for sin and rose again that we might have life in him.


18 posted on 10/25/2009 4:01:19 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: Daniel Gregg; Alex Murphy; aMorePerfectUnion; Lee N. Field

Interesting. Devoid of substance, but interesting to see those outside the Church of Christ will go to tear her down.

“Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.” (Heb. 13:9)


19 posted on 10/25/2009 4:17:21 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: Daniel Gregg

Tense: Present
Voice: Active
Mood: Imperative

1) to change one’s mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins

“Repentance (metanoia, ‘change of mind’) involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness.” (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 97.)


20 posted on 10/25/2009 5:18:32 PM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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