Posted on 10/26/2009 3:22:02 PM PDT by NYer
Personally, I take the plight of 80 million people very seriously.
Anglo-catholics.
You’ll not get the whole Anglican church. Neither the liberal wing nor the evangelical wing of the Church of England will buy into this.
I don’t know anything other than what I’ve said, as my source didn’t elaborate. However, my own personal opinion is that I can’t imagine that the most loved prayers from the BCP (the prayer at the beginning of Mass “Almighty God, unto whom all hearts are open,” the prayer of Humble Access “We do not presume to come to this thy table”, and the prayers after Communion “Almighty and everliving God, we most heartily thank thee”) would be absent. Those prayers are from Rite I, which is more Anglo-Catholic than Rite II, which is more “Novus Ordo.” Rite I of the 1979 BCP also follows more closely the 1928 Prayer Book, which is why so many people loved it. If it is to be truly an “Anglican” missal, I can’t imagine that it would have anything other than the King’s English (or rather the Queen’s [Elizabeth I]), otherwise it wouldn’t be “Anglican,” and why bother when the new ICEL English translation is coming out next year? From what I understand from last week’s press conference, the new Apostolic Constitution specifically allows Anglicans to keep their traditions and liturgy, which are special and unique, so I can’t imagine that the new missal would be bereft of all that would make it Anglican. Catholicism in England has always been different from that on the continent and it seems that the Holy Father recognizes that and wants to preserve it. After all, England was once “Our Lady’s Dowry,” and I would expect it was precisely because of the beauty of English worship and devotion, including architecture and music. Think of all the unique traditions and customs surrounding Holy Days (i.e., Shrove Tuesday Pancake Suppers), which will be preserved and celebrated. It’s just truly mind-boggling and exciting to think of the ramifications of all of it.
The Queen is the governor of the Church of England, not its head.
She swore an oath to “Defend the faith”, and she is a lady to whom that is important. Theoretically she could do something, but practically she probably won’t.
The fact that you are still wondering is a tribute to her discretion. The Monarch does not make statements on such matters. Her private thoughts are her own.
Its not her call as to whether Roman Catholics can be reigning monarchs.
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Maybe not, but I know one day Christ will unite His Church into One again. :)
Is your understanding that they will be required to use this new missal as the means by which they are allowed to keep their liturgy? If so, what is the basis for your understanding?
Or what? Order them arrested? Tortured? Imprisoned in the Tower?
Not bloody likely ...
She might be able to excommunicate them, and act which would seem singularly pointless.
We don’t want the liberal wing (unless they repent of their liberalism), and the evangelical wing would be a bad match. They don’t believe as we believe, on a number of topics. It would be dishonest of them to try to join, and dishonest of us to accept them.
I am not contending that the Anglicans should not have their own liturgy. It is my belief that they will keep their current ones. For example, the Anglican Church in America (which is the U.S. constituent of the Traditional Anglican Communion) uses the American Missal based on the 1928 BCP and the 1940 hymnal. It is my understanding that they have every intention of keeping those books, not switching to the books being used by the Pastoral Provision churches or the latin rite churches.
Are you a member of one of the Pastoral Provision parishes or a member of an Anglican Church? I'm not sure to whom you refer when using the word "we."
I am a member of an Anglican Use Catholic parish, as I stated in a previous post. We use the “Book of Divine Worship” which is what all Anglican Use parishes use. My church was originally Epicopalian and converted, parishioners and priest, to the Catholic Church in the 90’s. My husband and I converted five years ago from an ECUSA parish and joined this parish at that time. We attended last year’s Anglican Use Conference at Our Lady of the Atonement in San Antonio, so we are fairly well plugged in, but would have been even more so if our schedules had not prevented us from attending this year’s AU Conference which was held at Our Lady of Walsingham in Houston. At last year’s conference, people were saying things like, “wouldn’t it be great if we had our own bishop?” and “wouldn’t it be great if we had our own seminary?” All of this has been in the works for a long time.
Since there is a new missal being made, your friends will not have to use the current “Book of Divine Worship” nor will they have to use the Novus Ordo missal. The Apostolic Constitution has not come out yet and I would guess that it will come out when everything is ready (procedures, missal, etc.).
You might want to go back and re-read my posts. I think you missed a lot of my explanations.
That's why the BDW was written in the first place.
“it had an ignoble beginning and seems destined for an ignoble death.”
Careful friend. You cannot be honest and make this statement, if you actually know the history.
That the “church” of England was founded by an adulterer and woman killer for political and personal reasons rather than religious reasons?
You consider that an illustrious beginning?
“You consider that an illustrious beginning? “
You need to read a little history then consider how offensive you statement is.
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