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US Diocese: Pedophile Priests Should Receive Retirement Benifits
The Sudbury Staer ^ | 21 November 2009

Posted on 11/21/2009 1:29:17 PM PST by Gamecock

WILMINGTON, Del.-- The Catholic Diocese of Wilmington is obligated to pay retirement benefits to six priests who are confirmed pedophiles, church officials argued in a bankruptcy court filing Thursday seeking permission to keep making the payments.

After filing for bankruptcy last month, the diocese agreed not to make payments to priests accused of sexual abuse without court approval. That agreement was made after objections were raised by attorneys for alleged abuse victims who now sit on a creditors committee.

Attorneys for the diocese now seek authorization to provide pensions, housing costs and medical coverage to six confirmed child abusers. They cited an obligation to care for retired clergy, including priests dismissed from public ministry and facing laicization, or defrocking.

"Only the Vatican has the power to laicize clergy," the diocese said. "Thus, while several priests have been dismissed from the public ministry and have laicization proceedings pending against them, for the time being they remain clergy whom the debtor supports, and must continue to support."

The motion also seeks permission to keep paying benefits to another priest who has been accused of sex abuse, though the claims have not been substantiated. He still has authority to serve as a priest.

The diocese argues that pension payments would not be taken from funds that might be used to pay creditors, including abuse victims waiting for settlement payments.

James Stang, an attorney for the creditors committee, described the filing as "outrageous."

Officials with the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, or SNAP, could not recall a similar motion in the six other bankruptcies involving Catholic dioceses in the U. S. The group also noted that the Wilmington diocese is paying a public relations firm a minimum of $100,000 for bankruptcy-related work.

"It's morally wrong for a church official to cry poverty and then pay six figures to a PR firm. And it's morally wrong for a church official to put helping child predators ahead of helping child victims," said Barbara Dorris, national outreach director for SNAP.

The diocese wants to continue paying medical coverage for former priest Francis DeLuca, 80, who was removed from public ministry in 1993 and defrocked last year after serving a jail term in New York for repeatedly abusing his grandnephew.

The diocese said it has provided DeLuca "charity" since he was defrocked in the form of a $1,000 monthly allowance and medical coverage. The allowance has been terminated, but the diocese still wants to provide medical coverage


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach
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1 posted on 11/21/2009 1:29:18 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy

That’s like the Menendez brothers pleading for mercy because they are orphans.


2 posted on 11/21/2009 1:31:17 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Do teachers who have committed sexual abuse with students collect their SEIU benefits?

Why does everyone only pick on the priests?


3 posted on 11/21/2009 1:31:30 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

How about the money it costs to pay their victims subtracted from their pensions. They get what’s left.


4 posted on 11/21/2009 1:31:40 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: Gamecock
You just bring up this incendiary stuff to cause a Catholic bashing festival on FR. How Christian of you!
5 posted on 11/21/2009 1:31:44 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: Gamecock
You just bring up this incendiary stuff to cause a Catholic bashing festival on FR. How Christian of you!
6 posted on 11/21/2009 1:31:44 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: Salvation

“Why does everyone only pick on the priests?”

Haven’t you heard? We are no longer a Christian nation.


7 posted on 11/21/2009 1:32:47 PM PST by jessduntno (Obama is failing because he has no understanding of the American people, and may indeed loathe them.)
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To: Salvation
Do teachers who have committed sexual abuse with students collect their SEIU benefits?

Feel free to find an article on such and post it. The topic though is pedophile Roman Catholic Priests.

Why does everyone only pick on the priests?

Umm, because this is the RELIGION FORUM. If you want to talk about teachers there are plenty of threads on the secular side of FR to do so.

8 posted on 11/21/2009 1:36:54 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: GinaLolaB

That’s right. We should cut pedophile priests some slack!


9 posted on 11/21/2009 1:38:01 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Salvation

It’s absurd that pediophile priests receive benefits from the church. They willing violated their vows, any understanding ought to be null and void. I don’t think this is an issue of picking on priests. I’m glad to know this, and will keep it in mind next time they ask for money for retired priests.


10 posted on 11/21/2009 1:38:26 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: Gamecock

I wonder if it was Gamecock or the original source that couldn’t correctly spell ‘BENEFITS’.

My money is on Gamecock.


11 posted on 11/21/2009 1:39:02 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: jessduntno
Haven’t you heard? We are no longer a Christian nation.

Well, with the bad press brought on by these CONVICTED priests....

12 posted on 11/21/2009 1:40:50 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: vladimir998

Perspective, perspective...

Considering what the Diocese of Wilmington is proposing, is my sleep deprived mind misspelling something really that bad?


13 posted on 11/21/2009 1:44:49 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Salvation
I think it is outrageous that the Diocese which is in bankruptcy, is using Diocesean funds to pay a P.R. firm. I also think it is outrageous that the Diocese is using or trying to use Diocesean funds to pay those who have been convicted or removed from the priesthood. It is like the Diocese is agreeing that when pedophile or homosexual acts were committed by these priests, they were in the course of their employment. I wonder if this Diocese supports the CCHD.
14 posted on 11/21/2009 1:45:12 PM PST by dominic flandry
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To: GinaLolaB

I’m not a Catholic and don’t know why this particular thing was posted. I don’t know that the motive was to create an orgy of Catholic bashing. I’m not willing to have articles suppressed simply because they appear to diminish religious institutions that I respect.

Child abuse is a really, really bad thing and it appears to be a systemic thing within certain organizations. It appears you want to silence the poster and, in my view, that is not good.

Since we don’t seem to be able to shoot the abusers in the head we probably have to agree to honor whatever contractual or minimal Christian obligations that the Church has towards these men while satisfying to the greatest extent possible the claims filed by those abused.

If the Catholic Church in America has to divest itself of every single asset it owns to make this right then it might be of some spiritual benefit to have nothing, own nothing, and be led by shepherds that depend on the charity of congregations that meet in homes, parks, and public buildings. After all, what do we need in this world?

Hope you don’t think this is Catholic bashing. That’s not my intent.


15 posted on 11/21/2009 1:49:45 PM PST by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: mockingbyrd; GinaLolaB; Salvation; Gamecock

Mockingbyrd, I agree with you.

Also, I also am inclined to believe that the posting of this thread has a ring of schaudenfreude to it.


16 posted on 11/21/2009 1:54:19 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Gamecock

You wrote:

” is my sleep deprived mind misspelling something really that bad?”

Sleep deprived? Guilty conscience?


17 posted on 11/21/2009 1:57:16 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Running On Empty; vladimir998

schaudenfreude=schadenfreude

Careful, the spelling police will be around and attempt to discredit your post because of a typo.


18 posted on 11/21/2009 2:00:03 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

In any bankruptcy the petitioner is legally obligated to truthfully list his assets and liabilities. That is all there is to it, plus the usual anti-Catholic hysteria.


19 posted on 11/21/2009 2:00:39 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Gamecock

You wrote:

“Careful, the spelling police will be around and attempt to discredit your post because of a typo.”

I didn’t attempt to discredit the article. I, in fact, pointed out that it was safe to bet you made the mistake. If you feel discredited, then that’s your issue to deal with.


20 posted on 11/21/2009 2:01:54 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Guilty conscience?

Let's see,

I didn't molest small boys
I don't support a organization by tithing to it even though it shuffles child molesters from on diocese to another.

Nope, I'm guilty of a lot, but not this.

21 posted on 11/21/2009 2:02:53 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

I’m not worried about the spelling. Anyway, I’m Irish.

I’ll stand by what I posted.


22 posted on 11/21/2009 2:04:47 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: annalex
anti-Catholic hysteria

Riiight, the Roman Catholic Church is free of any wrong doing in this matter. < /sarc>

23 posted on 11/21/2009 2:05:18 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

The Church in America was grossly negligent in allowing the abuse by priests, should compensate the victims richly and punish the guilty according to the law of the land.

But the article is meaningless.


24 posted on 11/21/2009 2:11:51 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Gamecock

There probably isn’t much else the diocese can do, because otherwise they will be sued by these priests and end up having to pay even more.

I like the fact that your article included somebody who had been accused but nothing had been proven. Sweet. Maybe somebody will accuse you of something someday and you’ll see how great this is.


25 posted on 11/21/2009 2:15:26 PM PST by livius
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To: Gamecock

Exactly! What these priest,and teachers have done is grossly wrong. However, if they have earned their pensions, they should be able to keep them. I am sure the priests pensions are quite low, except for health care.

Some of the victims groups want to make these priests homeless and have them starve to death. I can really understand their anger and hate. However, that does not mean others including Dioceses, should give in and concur with the hate. I think some even want to destroy the church.


26 posted on 11/21/2009 2:16:46 PM PST by rcofdayton
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To: mockingbyrd

Would you prefer they be homeless or even starve to death?


27 posted on 11/21/2009 2:17:51 PM PST by rcofdayton
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To: Gamecock

You wrote:

“Nope, I’m guilty of a lot, but not this.”

I never said you were. What you’re guilty of is not what is in the article.


28 posted on 11/21/2009 2:18:06 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Gamecock

The price of flights to Thailand has increased.


29 posted on 11/21/2009 2:21:24 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Gamecock

You wrote:

“Riiight, the Roman Catholic Church is free of any wrong doing in this matter. < /sarc>”

The Catholic Church absolutely is free of wrong doing in this matter. Individual bishops and priests, not the Church, were the problem.


30 posted on 11/21/2009 2:21:40 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Belasarius
Child abuse is a really, really bad thing and it appears to be a systemic thing within certain organizations.

We all know appearances can be deceptive. I would hesitate to reach a moral conclusion on the basis of appearances alone.

For the umpteenth time, I have good reason to know that child abuse was swept under the rug in secular organizations as well as in denominations like the Episcopal Church -- as was other kinds of sexual misbehavior.

Owing partly to that knowledge and partly to what I think is an evident (or, ahem, apparent) eagerness to put forward any evidence suggesting any group which doesn't advocate unrestricted sex between consenting adults in the privacy of their own Times Square MUST be all about weird sexual urges yearning to breathe free and likely to erupt at any moment ... pause to gather second wind ... I would view with great skepticism any conclusion based on appearances about us feelthy papists.

Let's think about this: The feelthy papist Church is a big and populous outfit in the world, and pretty big in the US. If we assumed that child abusers were randomly represents among all clergy of whatever kind, we'd still come up with a BUNCH of Catholic clergy engaged in pedophilia. And while camp counsellors, even Episcopalian Camp counsellors, may not make the evening news when their abuse is discovered (and certainly won't when the denomination sweeps it under the rug) do we REALLY think that our friends in the lamestream media don't find it (and present it as) especially juicy when feelthy papists are involved?

I think the data are extremely difficult to judge.
FWIW

I don't know what is owed the extremely and feloniously sinful elderly. I really just don't know. I suppose, in one sense, we owe even the virtuous little. But how Christians should respond to those among them who have really grossly and horribly failed ... the judgment comes too close to me for me to be clear about allowing them to die homeless and starving. Maybe that's what should happen to those who escape or survive prison. I just don't know.

31 posted on 11/21/2009 2:28:24 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: annalex

What do we know (if anything) about the Catholic Church and about other Christian bodies elsewhere in the world?


32 posted on 11/21/2009 2:38:59 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

We know that, perhaps, homosexuals made a special effort to penetrate the Latin Church where their disinterest in the opposite sex might go unnoticed, and that pedophiles tend to penetrate any institution that deals with children. We know that pedophilia infects public schools in greater numbers than the churches and private schools, and that the non-Catholic religious institutions are just as prone to abuse as the Catholic Church. I don’t know of specifics in other geographies.

As an American Catholic I care for the Catholic Church in America in a special way, this is why I singled out the American Church in my post.


33 posted on 11/21/2009 2:49:58 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Gamecock
Part of the problem is, maybe, one of my favorite fallacies, the fallacy of misplaced concreteness.

I don't really “get” all of it, but I have been told that each Diocese (as US law understands it) is a corporation with one member, the bishop. It would really interesting if a Catholic bishop and lots of people in his diocese all decided to become Hare Krishnas. There would clearly be “remedies” in canon law, like the bishop would be excommunicated or somesuch. But when it gets down to real estate.... I don't know how it would come out.

My point, if any, is that viewed positively, the bonds and obligations of the Church are voluntary and charitable, and are not (these days at least) likely to be backed up by nobles with armies who see the possibility of territorial gain if they play their cards right in cooperating with the Holy See.

Also, and this is more in the explanation than excuse department, some bishops really do have a paternal affect toward their priests. As I say this does not excuse. But if it were shown to me that a child of mine had been engaged in dreadful misbehavior, while I hope I'd do what was right, I know I'd be sore tempted to protect the child.

And if people with Ph.D.s or M.D. assured me that all that my child needed was some counselling and a change of scene and the problem would probably go way — well, I HOPE I'd do better than some bishops did. But I can't guarantee it.

34 posted on 11/21/2009 2:51:03 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: annalex

I was wondering if it was an especially US problem.


35 posted on 11/21/2009 2:53:28 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: mockingbyrd
I could not believe some of the responses from”some of the so called Catholics”.
A person who defiles a child deserves nothing but death.
As for any prior good works?They were a false attempt to justify their actions which were nullified when they committed their first offense.
It sounds like some people are attempting to wash this junk,as many were good worshiping congregation and have a hard time reconciling the fact that their Priest was a sicko.
Many Hearts were broken in a way that can not be fixed.The horror of being married by one,Baptized,confession,etc.
Pay them for their entertainment?!On God's dime?
Makes sense/sc
36 posted on 11/21/2009 3:05:35 PM PST by xarmydog
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To: rcofdayton

Well, they are guilty of one of the sins that cries out to Heaven for vengence. So part of me really doesn’t care. They made their choices are destroyed others.

But I would be willing for them to spend the rest of their lives in a monastery, making spiritual reparations for their sins. They could certianly doing jobs around the place to earn their board and keep.


37 posted on 11/21/2009 3:57:16 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: Gamecock

They should receive prison sentences. The Vatican knows what is going on ... they are obfuscating.


38 posted on 11/21/2009 4:00:43 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Gamecock

What if these pileofit preists also took part in the global warming scam, still get a pension? Throw in bank robbery and NOT wearing a seat belt?


39 posted on 11/21/2009 4:13:53 PM PST by Waco (Stay as bootiful as ya are Karvile.)
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy
That's like the Menendez brothers pleading for mercy because they are orphans.

lolol

The reason the RCC wants to give these pederast priests a cushy retirment is because they believe these felons are truly "another Christ."

Therefore as "another Christ," they are entitled to whatever comforts they desire.

40 posted on 11/21/2009 6:35:45 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Therefore as "another Christ," they are entitled to whatever comforts they desire.

LOL. Yeah, even the innocent ones get the "comfort" of living alone in a old rectory, being on call 24x7 ("you're sick ... that's too bad, Father ... please come right away ... I realize it's 3am"), and having to deal with every sort of trouble sinful men and women can dig themselves into.

Not to mention having to say funeral masses for children.

And for that, they get paid well under $20,000 year, out of which they have to pay for -- among other things -- their own car, which they use for work.

And out of the pittance that's left, they can pay for "whatever comforts they desire".

Here's the comfort and ease to which "another Christ" is entitled, according to Scripture. (Executive summary: same as the first one).

Looks like fun, doesn't it? Just a barrel of laughs.

I've known too many holy priests who poured out their lives for their people until there was nothing left, to put up with any more of your vicious, unChristian slander of the Catholic priesthood as a whole.

My former pastor ministered to us until he was 84, and toward the end, he was so frail it was a bit scary to shake his hand ... you thought something might break. He's one of the holiest men I've ever met.

Part of the "comfort and ease" with which he was rewarded to have the crazies from Westboro Baptist outside his church one Sunday with a big sign that read

FAG PRIEST

I'm curious. Were you there with them?

41 posted on 11/22/2009 1:21:46 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Campion
I wasn't there. I'm not Baptist. But you know what they say...where there's smoke, there's fire.

And with the horrific number of pedophile priests in the RCC, the fire alarms have been sounding for decades.

Centuries.

Any man who calls himself "another Christ" is not of Christ, but somewhere else. Somewhere far from the truth.

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." -- Matthew 24:4-5

It doesn't seem too difficult to understand. Anyone who believes the Bible to be the inspired word of God should be equipped to rebuke those pretenders who seek the glory of God for themselves...at their peril.

And those who foolishly follow such false prophets cannot say they weren't told.

Wake up.

42 posted on 11/23/2009 9:09:18 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Meh...who cares? If a cult wants to give criminals a retirement plan, that’s their business.


43 posted on 02/21/2010 4:42:39 PM PST by AlaninSA
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To: Salvation
Why does everyone only pick on the priests?

Pick on them? They should be shot.

44 posted on 02/21/2010 5:22:31 PM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: Gamecock

45 posted on 02/21/2010 5:25:55 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: gilor

You are aware of the multitude of pedophiles and where they come from, aren’t you.

1. Fathers
2. Teachers
3. Coaches
4. Ministers

and further down the list — I don’t remember which number are the priests.

OK< let’s say that you are a father who teaches American History or biology, coaches a mid-high or Little League team and on the weekends you are a youth minister at your protestant church.

That’s four strikes against you, and according to the source I saw — you are to be watched.


46 posted on 02/21/2010 5:37:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mad Dawg; Gamecock
I was wondering if it was an especially US problem.

Uhmmmm.... no.

Roman Catholic sex abuse cases by country

And here's the link -- once again -- to the Murphy Report. It's kind of long, but well worth reading. What I got from it is that the key problem was antinomianism amongst those in charge in the Archdiocese of Dublin. Canon law and protocols that had been in place for several decades to stop sexual abuse were routinely, and consciously, ignored.

Report by Commission of Investigation into Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin

However, I don't see how any Protestant or Reformed church can claim immunity from the same evils which beset(s) the RC Church in Dublin and elsewhere. Look at the recent history of the Anglican Church. To ignore the perennial problems of moral depravity, antinomianism, and nihilism, and to say "Look! They have fallen and we have not!" is to court the worst sort of foolishness.

47 posted on 02/21/2010 5:46:10 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: Gamecock
To me the question here is what is my duty if my father, my brother or my child is guilty of a horrible crime. How do I obey the duties of familiar piety? What is appropriate care for my family member who has sinned grotesquely and viciously?

What does He who died for sinners want for them? How do I show it?

My GUESS is I do not protect them from civil penalties. If I am bishop I tell them they must hand themselves over to the government.

But when they are discharged from prison, to whom else should they expect to go if not to the father they adopted before sin and sickness overthrew them?

48 posted on 02/21/2010 6:03:14 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: GinaLolaB
Yes, we know that the majority of priests are fine men. As for these a-shats, by their FRUITS you will know them. Ditto the beanie-wearing political hacks who call themselves "bishops" and covered up this perversion for years. They deserve EVERYTHING that is coming to them.

Those folks who continually defend GUILTY (again, GUILTY is the operative word) priests and the enabling bishops would literally drink cyanide-laced kool-aid if the bishops told you to do so.

49 posted on 02/21/2010 6:06:23 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: rcofdayton

YES


50 posted on 03/14/2013 6:35:28 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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