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The Bible's Amazing Scientific Accuracy and Foresight
AlwaysBeReady.com ^ | unknown | Charlie H. Campbell

Posted on 12/11/2009 4:56:40 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

Even though the Bible was completed 2,000 years ago, long before the invention of the microscope, the telescope, satellites, etc. it does not contain any scientific errors. This might be considered a miracle in itself. Without exception, every ancient religious writing has certain unscientific views of astronomy, medicine, hygiene, etc. The Qur’an says in Surah 18:86 that the sun sets in a muddy spring. Qur’an 18:86 “…when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring” The only exception to these kinds of errors, among ancient religious writings, is the Bible.

Not only is the Bible free from scientific errors, it miraculously makes known numerous, accurate scientific facts about the universe thousands of years before modern scientists caught up. There are lots of them. For time’s sake I will give you a few quick examples.

A. The Sun

In contrast to the Qur’an, the Bible teaches that the sun is actually on a circuit through space. Writing of the sun in Psalm 19:6, David said, “Its rising is from one end of heaven, and its circuit to the other end.” For many years critics scoffed at this verse, claiming that it taught that the sun revolves around the earth. Scientists at that time thought the sun was stationary. However, it has been discovered in recent years that the sun is in fact on a circuit through space, just like the Bible says.

B. The Shape of the Earth

When the rest of the world believed the earth was flat, Isaiah declared that the world was round… Isaiah 40:22 “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth." The Hebrew word there for circle [“chuwg”] literally means “sphere.” When did Isaiah write these words? Between 740 and 680 B.C. That was at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested, in his book On the Heavens, that the earth might be a sphere. Other verses are Proverbs 8:27 and Job 26:10. More than 2,000 years later some people still believed that Christopher Columbus (1451-1506) was going to sail off the edge of a flat planet in 1492!

C. The Suspension of the Earth

Before Isaac Newton discovered gravity Hindus believed that the earth rested on the back of an elephant who stood on the back of a turtle that was swimming in a great endless sea. The Greeks believed that the mythical god Atlas carried the earth on his shoulders. What did the Bible say? In one of the oldest books in the Bible, Job said in Job 26:7, “He [God] hangs the earth on nothing.” Scientists did not discover that the earth hangs on nothing until 1650. ... (EXCERPT for more click the link!)


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The website page touches on evidence for the Bible based on

1) Fulfilled Prophecy 2) Archeological Discoveries 3) The Bible' Internal Consistencies 4) External Verification 5) The Bible's Amazing Scientific Accuracy and Foresight 6) The Manuscript Evidence 7) The Bible's Forthrightness About It's Author's and Hero's Failures 8) The Willingness of Jesus' Disciples to Suffer 9) The Bible's Transforming Power for Good 10) The Testimony of Jesus, the Son of God

1 posted on 12/11/2009 4:56:40 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The Torah states that you are required not to harvest from your fruit trees for three years. This comports with modern tree management practices.

The army is also required to build latrines, and cover them when moving on. This comports with relatively modern sanitation practices.

Etc. A person could go on for quite some time showing how Torah is correct and was eventually supported by science.


2 posted on 12/11/2009 4:59:19 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (America, 1776 - 2009. R.I.P.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

bookmark


3 posted on 12/11/2009 5:00:52 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Let me know when they find the Periodic Table in there.


4 posted on 12/11/2009 5:03:13 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

Again, the Bible is not a science textbook. You won’t find the human genome there either...It is not a science textbook, BUT IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE. That’s the point.

Here’s some more fun facts from Campbell:

D. The Stars

Before the telescope was invented, man was able to number the stars. The Greek astronomer and mathematician Hipparchus (190-120 B.C.) said there were exactly 1,026 stars. The astronomer, and mathematician Ptolemy said there were 1,056 stars. The German astronomer, Johannes Kepler (1571-1630), counted 1,006. The whole thought of the stars being uncountable was contrary to modern science until the invention of the telescope. When Galileo first pointed his telescope to the heavens in 1608, we discovered there were a lot more stars than anybody had ever imagined, just as Jeremiah had said:

Jeremiah 33:22 “The host of heaven [a reference to the stars] cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured.” Today, with the help of powerful telescopes and modern satellite photographs, scientists estimate the universe contains approximately 100 billion galaxies containing approximately 200 billion stars each. Carl Sagan (1934-1996), the world famous astronomer, said, “The total number of stars in the universe is greater than all the grains of sand on all the beaches of the planet Earth.” (Cosmos, p. 196). That is enough stars for every person alive on planet earth to personally own approximately 2 trillion stars each. Dr. Mark Eastman says, “Counting at a rate of ten stars per second it would take over 100 trillion years. Surely the host of heaven cannot be numbered!”

If you want more of these kinds of amazing scientific insights, check out: answersingenesis.org and icr.org

How did the authors of the Bible know that the stars were uncountable, that the earth was round and hangs on nothing? Were they taking lucky guesses? I don’t think so. Their flawless accuracy rules that out. The Bible says in 2 Peter 1:21 that “Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” God, who knows all there is to know about the universe He created, superintended the writing of the Bible to make sure that what He wanted written, was written.


5 posted on 12/11/2009 5:04:46 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: Uncle Miltie

Too bad we didn’t stick to that rule on seven-year mortgages!


6 posted on 12/11/2009 5:05:40 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I think the Bible got Pi wrong.


7 posted on 12/11/2009 5:12:47 PM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Writing of the sun in Psalm 19:6, David said, “Its rising is from one end of heaven, and its circuit to the other end.” For many years critics scoffed at this verse, claiming that it taught that the sun revolves around the earth. Scientists at that time thought the sun was stationary. However, it has been discovered in recent years that the sun is in fact on a circuit through space, just like the Bible says.

Why no mention of the galaxy through which the Sun makes it's circuit? It's these twisted and dishonest interpretations of the Bible that make religion look bad.

8 posted on 12/11/2009 5:13:37 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

oops. I forgot to copy paste this part (should answer your question)

D. The Stars

Before the telescope was invented, man was able to number the stars. The Greek astronomer and mathematician Hipparchus (190-120 B.C.) said there were exactly 1,026 stars. The astronomer, and mathematician Ptolemy said there were 1,056 stars. The German astronomer, Johannes Kepler (1571-1630), counted 1,006. The whole thought of the stars being uncountable was contrary to modern science until the invention of the telescope. When Galileo first pointed his telescope to the heavens in 1608, we discovered there were a lot more stars than anybody had ever imagined, just as Jeremiah had said:

Jeremiah 33:22 “The host of heaven [a reference to the stars] cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured.” Today, with the help of powerful telescopes and modern satellite photographs, scientists estimate the universe contains approximately 100 billion galaxies containing approximately 200 billion stars each. Carl Sagan (1934-1996), the world famous astronomer, said, “The total number of stars in the universe is greater than all the grains of sand on all the beaches of the planet Earth.” (Cosmos, p. 196). That is enough stars for every person alive on planet earth to personally own approximately 2 trillion stars each. Dr. Mark Eastman says, “Counting at a rate of ten stars per second it would take over 100 trillion years. Surely the host of heaven cannot be numbered!”


9 posted on 12/11/2009 5:16:18 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: Moonman62
Why no mention of the galaxy through which the Sun makes it's circuit?

If your science is as good as your grammar, you're in trouble.
10 posted on 12/11/2009 5:16:21 PM PST by aruanan
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Trusting in God and His Word has NEVER steered me wrong.


11 posted on 12/11/2009 5:17:30 PM PST by GoDuke
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

oh my, I just saw that I already responded to you twice with that...sorry, sorry everyone for the over-pasting of information.


12 posted on 12/11/2009 5:18:01 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Thank you for posting. I needed that today.


13 posted on 12/11/2009 5:21:14 PM PST by The Black Knight (What would John Rambo do?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

No. It doesn’t answer the question.


14 posted on 12/11/2009 5:23:48 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: The Black Knight
The Black Knight, Be sure to click the link to the website for more information on all the other numerous ways to validate the Bible and its claims :)! The GOD of the Bible is REAL and ALIVE and it is not just on FAITH that we can believe His Word and the amazing promises made through CHRIST (The WORD made Flesh!)... We can trust the Bible based on logic, reason, and actual *EVIDENCE.*
15 posted on 12/11/2009 5:24:12 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: aruanan

You must be a lot of fun at parties.


16 posted on 12/11/2009 5:26:25 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

fair enough. and as i said before: the Bible does not contain the Periodic Table nor does it have a sketch of the human anatomy or a detailing of the human genome. It’s not meant to be a science journal, but it’s meant to reveal Jesus Christ, save your soul, prepare you for eternity, and allow you to have a relationship with the Creator of the Universe.

However it is not just on those few scientific statements that I trust the Bible—but archeological, historical, and literary evidence. Click the original link and check it out. If you don’t agree, then you don’t. But at least it’s some food for thought. :)

Thank you for your response!


17 posted on 12/11/2009 5:27:21 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: Moonman62

I think the bible was right on much of the science of the day. After all disciplines like astronomy are as old as man and nearly as varied as the races.

On the other hand there are a great many scientific areas that are unmentioned. Things like orbital mechanics would have had no place in the world of man 5000 years ago.


18 posted on 12/11/2009 5:30:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: donmeaker

>I think the Bible got Pi wrong.

Scientifically accurate and mathematically accurate are two different things. It would be scientifically accurate to say that the Earth circles the sun; mathematically though it is not a circle, but an ellipse. (A circle would have an eccentricity of zero, instead it is about 0.01671... which is pretty close to zero.)

Now, as to Pi, the question I have for you is how would you describe Pi in a world of natural numbers? Three, there is no closer answer. And in many cultures that’s all that was used, even as recently as the Vikings.

So, in conclusion:
Mathematics is not [the same as] Science, it is actually far stricter.


19 posted on 12/11/2009 5:40:03 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Very good, thanks for posting! Merry Christmas
20 posted on 12/11/2009 5:40:21 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm blessed! I support Marco Rubio 2010)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Thanks!


21 posted on 12/11/2009 5:48:31 PM PST by MilicaBee
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To: Moonman62

Bah. If I tell you 2+2=4, do I also have to explain calculus to make the first statement valid?


22 posted on 12/11/2009 5:50:57 PM PST by piytar (Go Away RNC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

That’s a pretty good list!


23 posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:29 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: donmeaker
I think the Bible got Pi wrong.

Actually, it didn't. When you actually read the full passage about the circumference and width of the brasen sea, you see that the number given for the circumference is the inner rim of the sea, but the diameter is given for the outer rim of the sea - which was two "hands" (about 1/4 of a cubit) wider than the inner diameter. When you subtract those two hands, and calculate from the inner diameter, you get a number amazingly close to pi.

24 posted on 12/11/2009 5:58:45 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: donmeaker

What’s the value of pi?


25 posted on 12/11/2009 6:00:30 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: donmeaker

For comparison sake, please give an exact value for pi. Decimal or fraction will work. Thanks!


26 posted on 12/11/2009 6:03:05 PM PST by piytar (Go Away RNC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; donmeaker
When you subtract those two hands, and calculate from the inner diameter, you get a number amazingly close to pi.

Within a few hundredths.
27 posted on 12/11/2009 6:04:19 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Within a few hundredths.

Actually, it's 3.13 and something, so it's within a few thousandths. And that figure comes from using cubits, hand spans, etc.. The ancient artisans knew what they were doing.
28 posted on 12/11/2009 6:06:14 PM PST by aruanan
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To: OneWingedShark
It would be scientifically accurate to say that the Earth circles the sun; mathematically though it is not a circle, but an ellipse.

To be truely accurate you would have to say that the earth and sun orbit a common center of gravity. This is the cause of the wobble we use to find planets orbiting other stars. (or other planets and stars orbiting their common center of gravity)
29 posted on 12/11/2009 6:12:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; aruanan

Interesting on the “pi in the Bible thing”. First off, let me say that the Bible is NOT a science book. However, it is true, and so it will not contradict science - except of course for the various miracles! But I’ve always noticed the lack of goofy ideas such as the turtle caring the earth, etc. Sometimes of course they need to use the terminology that they have to work with such as “chariots of fire”. Of course we do that too if someone says they saw a “flying saucer”.

I did a quick search on the bowl in the temple and pi thing. Seems to me though that with the description in the text is describing the bowl based on measurements and not calculations. If you gave me a circle (or a bowl), or a picture of it, and I measured the diameter and the cicumference and told you what they were, there is nothing in there that says that I know what pi is. I could build the bowl as well without knowing what pi is. But of course, you could determine what the value of pi is using the formula and dimensions I gave to you.

I always found the story of Creation to be the most interesting. Sounds a lot like the “Big Bang” theory if you ask me!


30 posted on 12/11/2009 6:26:20 PM PST by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Great posting! I think it’s important to state that, although the Bible is not on book about science, whenever it touches upon scientific areas, it is accurate.

The bible does not mention the human genome but it does say that blood is the source of life for animals and man. Lev. 17:11. Also, that the flesh of species are different from each other. 1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same: Human beings have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. Maybe 50 or 60 years agao, if you hit someone with your car and drove away with flesh and blood on your car bumper, you could say you hit a deer and nobody had a way to know. Now they can.

The Bible has many such instances that state truths not known to men when it was written. God said he would speak to them things that were unknown or had not happened so that when they came to pass, we would know that the true God had spoken.


31 posted on 12/11/2009 6:27:54 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: 21twelve

The big bang theory did originate from a vatican scientist. For the most part it makes sense but I’ve got a few issues with it as it currently stands.


32 posted on 12/11/2009 6:30:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

When we say “Bible” we, of course, include Torah.


33 posted on 12/11/2009 6:38:56 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; Moonman62

Moonman,

Do you ignore all references to science that do not include the periodic table of the elements? Perhaps you ignore all sources that predate the periodic table of elements.

Do you find that limits your research material?


34 posted on 12/11/2009 7:17:09 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

To me, Hebrews 11:3 squares pretty well with the big bang theory:

(NIV) “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.”


35 posted on 12/11/2009 7:26:20 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: arthurus

That’s why we call it “Judeo/Christianity” brother.


36 posted on 12/11/2009 7:26:36 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (America, 1776 - 2009. R.I.P.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Again, the Bible is not a science textbook. You won’t find the human genome there either...It is not a science textbook, BUT IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE. That’s the point.......

Well not sure I totally agree with your statement. In Genesis 2:21 What is described as the first medical operation says something was removed from the Adam to form/create woman. The word the translators used 'rib' in the prime form means to 'curve'. And what is the shape of the human genome, it is a curve. So since the days of Genesis 2:21 the man has been missing half his 'curve'.

37 posted on 12/11/2009 7:50:28 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: aruanan; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; donmeaker
Within a few hundredths.

Take time and read the passage. You will see that the lip of the basin was flared out and 10 cubits across at the top. The thickness was one hand. The circumference was 30 cubits, this would naturally be down around the main part of the basin, not the lip. Lets throw some numbers. Generally a cubit is about 18 inches, and a hand about 4 inches. Since the top flares out, lets estimate that it does so by one hand (4 inches). Now what is pi? The circumference would be 540 inches (30 cubits x 18 inches) The diameter would need to be adjusted for the flare out of one hand on BOTH sides (8 inches) therefore the diameter at the circumference measuring point would be 180inches - 8 inches = 172 inches. Pi would be 540/172 = 3.1359 (rounded to 4 decimal points) with current pi rounded to same = 3.1416, less than 0.07% off from modern calculations, done with crude measuring techniques.

38 posted on 12/11/2009 8:05:22 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"...the Bible is not a natural science textbook, nor does it intend to be such. It is a religious book, and consequently one cannot obtain information about the natural sciences from it. One cannot get from it a scientific explanation of how the world arose; one can only glean religious experience from it. Anything else is an image and a way of describing things whose aim is to make profound realities graspable to human beings. One must distinguish between the form of portrayal and the content that is portrayed. The form would have been chosen from what was understandable at the time -- from the images which surrounded the people who lived then, which they used in speaking and in thinking, and thanks to which they were able to understand the greater realities. And only the reality that shines through these images would be what was intended and what was truly enduring. Thus Scripture would not wish to inform us about how the different species of plant life gradually appeared or how the sun and the moon and the stars were established. Its purpose ultimately would be to say one thing: God created the world."

"In the Beginning...." A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall - excerpts from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)

39 posted on 12/11/2009 8:22:18 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Moonman62

What is it that makes a person spend a lot of time figuring out how he can be fun at parties?


40 posted on 12/11/2009 8:24:17 PM PST by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: piytar
"For comparison sake, please give an exact value for pi. Decimal or fraction will work. Thanks!"

The ancients used 22/7 as a functional Pi.

41 posted on 12/11/2009 8:24:23 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

“Many Christians assume the Bible contains scientific errors, and that it is authoritative only when it speaks on spiritual matters. But that is saying in effect that the God who wrote the Bible knew a lot about spiritual things, but not too much about science. To say that parts of the Bible are accurate, but others are not is to deny the inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible. Since God knows all things, and what He speaks is true (cf., Titus 1:2), all that the Bible teaches is accurate, not just its spiritual truths.

The issue is not between science and Scripture; the issue is whether man will submit to the Word of God. Romans 1:28 describes people who refuse to submit as those who “did not like to retain God in their knowledge.” Because they rejected God’s revelation of Himself as Creator, men came up with the only alternative: that the universe and everything in it just happened.”

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There are three principles basic to science: matter, energy, and the space-time continuum. Science tells us that none of the three can exist without the other two; therefore all three must have existed from the beginning of the universe. Note that Genesis 1:1 mentions all three: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

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“B. The Peril of Scientism

As Christians we accept the facts of science. What we do not accept are the interpretations of those facts offered by some scientists. There is no conflict between the established facts of science and the Bible, though scientists often make unproved assumptions (such as the theory of evolution) that do conflict with Scripture. Although the Bible is written in everyday language and doesn’t use modern scientific terminology, that does not mean it is scientifically inaccurate. Indeed, many of the world’s greatest scientists have accepted the authority of the Bible, such as Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Lister, Pasteur, Kelvin, and others.

The conflict between science and Scripture comes when science steps outside the realm of that which is observable and reproducible and speculates on origins, values, and destinies. At that point science has ceased to be science and instead become a religious viewpoint, since those things are not subject to observation and experimentation.

- John Macarthur


42 posted on 12/11/2009 8:29:14 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"To say that parts of the Bible are accurate, but others are not is to deny the inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible. "

I understand and respect your position, I simply do not agree with all of it. It is not about the accuracy of the Bible, rather it is about whether it it literal or allegorical. Faith is not dependant upon HOW God created, it is about accepting THAT he created.

43 posted on 12/11/2009 8:49:08 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
"...the Bible is not a natural science textbook, nor does it intend to be such. It is a religious book, and consequently one cannot obtain information about the natural sciences from it. One cannot get from it a scientific explanation of how the world arose; one can only glean religious experience from it. Anything else is an image and a way of describing things whose aim is to make profound realities graspable to human beings. One must distinguish between the form of portrayal and the content that is portrayed. The form would have been chosen from what was understandable at the time -- from the images which surrounded the people who lived then, which they used in speaking and in thinking, and thanks to which they were able to understand the greater realities. And only the reality that shines through these images would be what was intended and what was truly enduring. Thus Scripture would not wish to inform us about how the different species of plant life gradually appeared or how the sun and the moon and the stars were established. Its purpose ultimately would be to say one thing: God created the world." "In the Beginning...." A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall - excerpts from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)

The Bible according to John is God, from the 'In the Beginning' which is what Genesis means. Life did NOT 'arise' out of a steaming hot pot of pond scum. And political correctness has so infected religious correctness that the WORD for the majority has become null and void. Or more to the point just like the earth did in Genesis 1:2.

44 posted on 12/11/2009 8:51:35 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Uncle Miltie

bump for later read


45 posted on 12/11/2009 8:53:23 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Just mythoughts
"To say that parts of the Bible are accurate, but others are not is to deny the inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible."My posting quoted Pope Benedict XVI. I am sure that you are not suggesting that neither he or I am rejecting God as the creator. The point we differ on is the processes used by God to create man in His image.
46 posted on 12/11/2009 9:00:51 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
My posting quoted Pope Benedict XVI. I am sure that you are not suggesting that neither he or I am rejecting God as the creator. The point we differ on is the processes used by God to create man in His image.

I do not sit in judgment of the Pope's standing. But in Genesis 1:26 says And God said, "Let *US* make man in *Our* image, after *Our* likeness:......

Who is this "Us* and this *Our* that man was made in the image of? This is not the same WORDs used in Genesis 2:7. And it is not even on the same 'day', which Peter says that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. So these 'days' of creation were thousands of years apart. Now surely the WORD is instructive regarding the unsettled claimed process that man in flesh have divined.

47 posted on 12/11/2009 9:08:13 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

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48 posted on 12/11/2009 9:13:37 PM PST by Edgewood Pilot
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Okay this will be a kind-of-long response, but here goes. I hope you read each point just so you can understand where I’m coming from. :)

As Macarthur reminds us, at a certain point, even “science” ceases to be science and becomes a relgious viewpoint—because it is no longer subject to empirical evidence.

“The conflict between science and Scripture comes when science steps outside the realm of that which is observable and reproducible and speculates on origins, values, and destinies. AT THAT POINT science has ceased to be science and instead become a religious viewpoint, since those things are not subject to observation and experimentation.”

Now...

** Here are some things to consider **

1) In his letter to the Romans, Saint Paul reminds us that there was no death. THat’s right, there was NO DEATH before Adam sinned. It teaches that the actions of one man, Adam, brought death into the world and that the entire creation has suffered the consequences.”

* 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned...* ~ Romans 5:12

2) Evolutionists, on the other hand believe that death has been going on for millions of years. It requires the death of billions of animals and prehistoric men slowly evolving to bring humans into existence.

3) I could go on and on and get all expository, but to put it simply: CHRIST, God made man, the WORD made Flesh. Jesus CHRIST came to defeat SIN and DEATH. He came to reverse the damage and havoc Adam’s sin wreaked upon humanity.

“17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.” ~ Romans 5:17

4) To believe that death existed independent of Adam’s sin and not as a direct result of his sin undermines the saving work of Christ and its implications for the human race AND our decaying and dying world—as even plants and animals die thereby bear the consequences of man’s sin.

“20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. “ ~ Romans 8: 20-21


49 posted on 12/11/2009 9:18:30 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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bfl


50 posted on 12/11/2009 9:19:07 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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