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Can Joel Osteen Help You Pay Your Bills?
CNN ^ | 12/18/09 | Christine Romans

Posted on 12/19/2009 6:37:28 PM PST by marshmallow

Houston, Texas (CNN) -- Joel Osteen strides into the former Compaq Center. Some 20,000 people are standing and singing. Purple lights softly pulse across the ceiling, and mist floats around two giant screens flashing words to the songs.

It's not a pulpit but a podium. It's not an altar but a stage. There is no cross. Instead a huge globe spins, and two massive bubbling creeks flank the stage. A lighting system softens distant corners of the massive arena and spreads colored light and smoke in strategic spots. Somehow, the space that will hold 40,000-plus on Sunday morning doesn't feel like a sports arena.

In the control room, producers watch multiple camera angles and feeds.

Smiling broadly, Osteen bounds up the few stairs to the stage, closes his eyes, lifts his hands and leads a prayer.

"God, I'm going to start this week off in faith. Expecting your goodness. Expecting to have a blessed and a prosperous week. Amen. Well, God bless you. Give him your very best today."

Welcome to Sunday morning at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. It's reportedly the nation's largest congregation and probably one of the most diverse places in America. One third of these churchgoers are Hispanic, one-third African-American and a quarter white. There are dozens of nationalities.

Osteen will give this sermon twice. He later said he knows immediately which segments to edit together into a sermon that will air on television to millions three weeks later.

Between services, he is signing his most recent book in the lobby, just past the bookstore that is one of the highest-grossing Christian bookstores in America.

His wife, Victoria, is co-pastor of the church and a best-selling author in her own right. In fact, the Osteens are not paid to be pastors at Lakewood, according to .............

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There is no cross.

As the saying goes...."no cross, no Christ". A fitting metaphor for the Gospel according to Joel.

"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me" isn't Joel's favorite piece of Scripture.

1 posted on 12/19/2009 6:37:29 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Well, at least he doesn’t have any trouble playing his bills.


2 posted on 12/19/2009 6:39:11 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: marshmallow

When you buy his books, you’re paying his bills.


3 posted on 12/19/2009 6:40:18 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: marshmallow

Joel O is a fraud of monumental proportions using Christianity to pack his bank balances by tens of millions of dollars. Will these imbecile followers ever learn?


4 posted on 12/19/2009 6:42:24 PM PST by Steelfish
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Joel O is a fraud of monumental proportions using Christianity to pack his bank balances by tens of millions of dollars. Will these imbecile followers ever learn?

Amen, brutha!

5 posted on 12/19/2009 6:46:50 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: marshmallow
"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me" isn't Joel's favorite piece of Scripture.

He actually talks about and personally demonstrates a surrendered life, a committed life to the Lord, and living by faith in God's grace.

Many confuse a Philadelphia church with a Laodicean church. We are living in the lukewarm Laodicean era where Christ's return is imminent. Many who view Mr. Osteen from a distance and/or don't read his books confuse his ministry with the lukewarm Christ-less, faithless, cross-less, bloodless message of the apostate church. (I wasn't sure about him either until God helped me to take a closer look.) His ministry is biblically based, founded on scriptural doctrine, anointed, and infused with faith, hope and love.

The Pharisees of Jesus' day hated him because he didn't condemn people the way they did or follow their religious dictates. They also envied him because so many followed him. Crowds or the lack thereof neither qualifies nor disqualifies a ministry. "By their fruits (not leaves) you shall know them." Inspect Osteen's fruit and see what you come with. Pharisees are notorious leaf inspectors. No different with the Pharisees of today. Our notion of holiness isn't necessarily God's holiness. Jesus is the revelation of the Father and his holiness.

6 posted on 12/19/2009 6:48:34 PM PST by Jim 0216
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Joel O is a fraud of monumental proportions using Christianity to pack his bank balances by tens of millions of dollars. Will these imbecile followers ever learn?

Please backup your words with facts.

Tell us exactly how Joel Osteen is a fraud, of course provide us with links and evidence of such as well.

7 posted on 12/19/2009 6:49:02 PM PST by adm5 (YOU CANNOT FIX CAPITALISM WITH SOCIALISM! -Glenn Beck)
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I purchased and read his book “How To Become A Better You” and enjoyed it but I stopped purchasing his books and listening to him when I found out that he didn't hold a Christmas service but instead he and his family jets off to Aspen or Vail or someplace. That his “church” doesn't have a cross proves even more that he is nothing more than a con man.
8 posted on 12/19/2009 6:49:26 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Political Correctness is being used to destroy our country/It's time to put CHRIST back in CHRISTmas)
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To: Steelfish

He and his wife are downright creepy.


9 posted on 12/19/2009 6:49:53 PM PST by Drea
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To: marshmallow

If you drop down the page which you had given the link for, you would have seen that story that Osteens saying that Obama loves the Lord. BARF!

I guess no one learned the lesson that Jim Bakker taught...


10 posted on 12/19/2009 6:51:35 PM PST by Buddygirl
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“He and his wife are downright creepy.”

I agree. I made the mistake of buying one of his books once but no more. Its amazing the number of books he and his wife manage to write and publish every year.


11 posted on 12/19/2009 6:54:52 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Political Correctness is being used to destroy our country/It's time to put CHRIST back in CHRISTmas)
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He actually talks about and personally demonstrates a surrendered life, a committed life to the Lord, and living by faith in God's grace

The cross is a symbol of suffering. I'm reminded of a passage from the Book of Wisdom; “If you want to know God, prepare yourself for an ordeal.”

According to Joel......"prepare yourself for the good times".

12 posted on 12/19/2009 6:55:12 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: adm5

Just type in “Joel Osteen Fraud” in Google and see what you get!


13 posted on 12/19/2009 6:55:12 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Buddygirl

Heeeee Heeeeee!


14 posted on 12/19/2009 6:55:25 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: marshmallow

“hay, wood and stubble”


15 posted on 12/19/2009 6:55:30 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: marshmallow

joel too positive everything is great for me preacher. i need some fire and brimstone to put me back in my place from time to time. no disrespect to joel just not my kind of message i need


16 posted on 12/19/2009 6:57:23 PM PST by remaxagnt (`)
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To: marshmallow; All

Excuse me, but the cross is only a symbol of Christ’s SACRIFICE for all humanity. The cross is not an idol to be worshipped.

And .. for anybody who is willing to hear, CHRIST IS NOT ON THE CROSS ANY LONGER. JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD - BY THE POWER OF GOD - PROVING THAT JESUS’ SACRIFICE WAS REAL AND HAD A PURPOSE. THE PURPOSE WAS TO SAVE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE ON HIM (CHRIST) .. not all those who believe on Joel.

I watch Joel every Sunday. I find his preaching refreshing and uplifting, and I write down all the scripture references he uses and read them for myself.

It’s only jealously to be afraid of a Christian man who owns a huge and fancy arena in which to preach. Such a person needs to be redeemed.

A good key to remember is this: If Joel is from God, nobody will be able to stop him. If Joel is not from God, God is more than capable of shuting him down. The unbelievers of this world don’t have to do anything .. God can take care of it.


17 posted on 12/19/2009 6:58:33 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: adm5

Well, what leaps to my mind immediately is his interview with Larry King — when asked about why he didn’t preach about hell, he answered (paraphrased) that his congregation didn’t want to hear about it.

Christ talked about hell.

I have yet to understand exactly how Osteen expounds the Gospel on any level. Does he preach Christ, and Him crucified? Does he preach that Christians are to expect to be hated and tried?

Or, does he preach, “blab it and grab it”?

Just sayin’.

Hoss


18 posted on 12/19/2009 7:00:54 PM PST by HossB86
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To: Steelfish

Ditto Obama and Muslim lover Rick Warren.


19 posted on 12/19/2009 7:02:02 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: proudofthesouth

Ghost writers are incredibly cheap.


20 posted on 12/19/2009 7:02:44 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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