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Medjugorje bishop says Crdl Schönborn’s visit brings greater suffering to his diocese [Cath Caucus]
cna ^ | January 4, 2009

Posted on 01/05/2010 10:14:23 AM PST by NYer

Most Rev. Ratko Perić and Cardinal Christoph Schönborn

Medjugorje, Bosnia, Jan 4, 2010 / 06:58 pm (CNA).- Most Rev. Ratko Perić, the Bishop of Mostar-Duvno in Bosnia-Herzegovina, released a statement in which he criticizes Vienna, Austria’s Cardinal Christoph Schönborn for making a highly publicized “personal visit” to the region where Mary is said to have been appearing since 1981.

In his statement, released on January 2, Bishop Perić noted that it was his “duty, as diocesan bishop, to provide information to the faithful” regarding the nature of the apparitions, the divide they have caused in his diocese and the official position of the Church on the anomaly.

The apparitions have not been officially recognized by the Church.

Perić’s statement explained that due to the ongoing apparitions and the ensuing debate, his diocese now unwillingly hosts a number of “new communities and associations of the faithful who, in disobedience, live at Medjugorje.” These communities, he said, “may become encouraged in their ecclesial disobedience because of the cardinal’s visit.”

The statement also called into question a November 13, 2009 statement from Vienna’s Kath.net claiming that during Schönborn’s visit, “there will also be a meeting with the local bishop and the critics of Medjugorje.” However, the bishop stated, as of the release of the his Jan.2 remarks, the Diocese of Mostar had received no official communication from Schönborn’s office of the cardinal’s intent to visit the parish. This absence of notification, Perić said, displays the lack of a “certain ecclesial courtesy” among prelates who are want to inform their brother bishops when one is about to visit the other’s diocese.

The bishop concluded that Schönborn’s visit, especially his actions and statements, “have added to the current suffering of the local church.”

Bishop Perić’s complete statement is as follows:

On the occasion of the visit of Cardinal Schönborn to Medjugorje

Since the media have announced, and been present during the visit and the public presence of Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, Archbishop of Vienna, to Medjugorje, which has thus sparked a wrong impression that the Cardinal, by his presence, has recognized the authenticity of the “apparitions” of Medjugorje, I regard it to be my duty, as diocesan bishop, to provide some information to the faithful, noting that I have already sent a personal letter of similar content to the cardinal.

1.      Before we begin, some media have propagated the news story that, on Sept. 15, 2009, at the Cathedral of St. Stephen in Vienna a meeting took place, at which his eminence Cardinal Schönborn was present and during which Marija Pavlovíc-Lunetti, the daily “visionary” who has allegedly witnessed the daily “apparitions” of June 1981, spoke of how the “apparitions had influenced the changing of her life. On that occasion, the Cardinal, responded in a speech: “ It is a great gift that the Mother of God wants to be so close to her children! She has demonstrated this in so many places in the world. And she has been demonstrating this in a very special manner at Medjugorje for years and years.”

2.      Then, on Nov. 13, 2009, Kath.net of Vienna announced: “The Archbishop of Vienna will visit the well-known Marian shrine at the end of the year, including the parish and the Cenacle Community. There will also be a meeting with the local bishop and the critics of Medjugorje.” The curia of this diocese was not informed by the office of the archbishop nor by the Medjugorje parish office of the Cardinal’s visit.

3.      On Nov 16, 2009,the Catholic News Agency published the news story: “Cardinal Christoph Schönborn will visit Medjugorje, the small town in Bosnia-Herzegovina where six young people have allegedly been witnesses of apparitions from the Virgin Mary. But according to the Archdiocese of Vienna, the trip is 'completely private' and does not imply a statement from the cardinal on the veracity of the apparitions. It was supposed to be a completely private visit, it was not supposed to go out to the Internet,' said Fr. Johannes Fürnkranz, personal secretary to the Archbishop of Vienna.”

4.      On December 29, 2009, Cardinal Schönborn arrived in Medjugorje. The media accompanied him the next day and on others as well. According to the news, he delivered a speech at the church of St. James the Apostle that highlighted the mercy of God the Father. In that speech, he said: “Who could put these things in motion? Who could invent them? A man? No, this is not the work of a human being.”

On December 31, 2009, journalists transmitted: “While some were expecting that the Cardinal’s visit to Medjugorje would be private, he has nevertheless surprised the locals by being very visible. He has spent time celebrating Mass at the Church of St. James the Apostle, walking up the hill where the apparitions occur with the visionary Marija Lunetti, praying in the silence of Adoration, and perhaps the most significant thing, delivering a speech at the parish church in the company of the Franciscans.”

5.      In all of this, I have to admit that, as diocesan bishop of the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno, I have remained very surprised. I understand that a cardinal of the Holy Roman Church enjoys the faculty to confess and preach the gospel in all the Catholic Church. But when it comes to public appearances outside of his own diocese, there is, among us bishops, a certain ecclesial courtesy: the bishop or the cardinal who is planning on coming to another diocese and appearing publicly, announces himself to the local bishop first, something suggested by ecclesial prudence. I believe that such ecclesial prudence, and such a rule, deserved to be applied especially in this case.

6.      I am surprised that the office of Cardinal Schönborn has not, to the day of the publication of this statement, contacted us. I suppose that the Cardinal is aware of the Church’s position regarding Medjugorje, a position based on the investigations and conclusions according to which it is not possible to say, “The apparitions or revelations are supernatural.” His visit to the Cenacle Community, that is to say, to Sister Elvira, who obiter dicendo, as a religious does not have the permission to live or work in this diocesan territory, could be interpreted as a support for her. It can not only be interpreted as support to her, but also to the conspicuous number of new communities and associations of the faithful who live in Medjugorje in disobedience, and may read an encouragement to their ecclesial disobedience into the Cardinal’s visit.

7.      As bishop of the diocese, I will highlight and repeat some painful facts:

·         First of all, I highlight the painful “Herzegonvinian case” of the parishes which are linked to the “Medjugorje phenomenon:” from the beginning, some Franciscans, who were then in disobedience, have decisively taken the side of the figure of Medjugorje, accusing the then-diocesan bishop of causing the local crisis. One of them has since left the order and the priesthood.

·         In the territory of the diocese, we now have nine ex-Franciscans who were dismissed by the superiors of the Order of Friars Minor. The Holy See has confirmed such their dismissal. Despite being suspended a divinis, they operate in the usurped parishes as legal priests. While the alleged figure of Medjugorje responds to the most frivolous questions of the curious, we have never heard a word against the grave abuses that are damaging the unity of this local church.

·         We have had a tragic experience in 2001: A few Franciscans, some of whom had already been dismissed by their order, and some others who had not yet been dismissed, invited an “old-Catholic” (a small European schismatic community) deacon who introduced himself as an “archbishop” who “confirmed” more than 700 young people in the usurped parishes. All of this occurred invalidly and sacrilegiously. He also celebrated the Mass invalidly as a deacon in some parishes. The apparition of Medjugorje doesn’t even mention this abuse of the Sacrament of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Eucharist!

·         We have also had another sad episode: Two of these priests have gone to an “old-Catholic” bishop in Switzerland requesting to be ordained bishops and to separate themselves from Mostar and from Rome in order to create a formal schism. This is something the “old-Catholic” bishop has declined to do.

·         We also have had problems with the presence of two particularly charismatic promoters of the “Medjugorje phenomenon.” One of who is the profoundly disobedient Tomislav Vlašić, who was dismissed from the Franciscans last year, and who the Holy See has relieved, upon his own request, from any priestly duty or responsibility. The other is Brother Jozo Zovko, who has been deprived from any priestly duty in the territory of this diocese since 2004, and who, according to news stories, has been pulled out of the territory of Herzegovina by his religious superiors and has been forbade from any contact with Medjugorje.

8.      The Cardinal remained enthusiastic about the many confessions heard at Medjugorje where the Father’s mercy was expressed. We believe that the mercy of the Heavenly Father is equally expressed in Medjugorje as in any other parish of our diocese, before or after the Medjugorje phenomenon. Just take a look at the long lines of faithful in front of the confessionals in all of our parishes, especially before Christmas, Easter, liturgical feasts, or confirmations. Many claim that the confessions at Medjugorje are a strong proof that our Lady “appears.” According to such conclusions regarding to the numerous confessions, our Lady would appear in all of our parishes, and not only to those three persons to which she appears once a year at Medjugorje and the other three to whom she appears every day, both inside and outside of Medjugorje, and even at the Vienna cathedral, as they say. In total, up to now, some 40,000 “apparitions!” Moreover, we have the impression that some of the “visionaries” decide where and when Our Lady will “appear,” since she appears where and when they want. Isn’t this an unacceptable manipulation of Our Lady, and of the sacred in general?

As diocesan bishop, I wish to inform the faithful with this statement that the visit of Cardinal Christoph Schönborn does not imply any recognition of the “apparitions” related to Medjugorje, I am saddened by the fact that the Cardinal, with his visit, presence, and statements, has contributed to the current suffering of the local church, and even added to it, which does not contribute to the much needed peace and unity.

Ratko Perić, bishop


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer
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1 posted on 01/05/2010 10:14:25 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/05/2010 10:15:24 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

It’s providence that you posted this; I just talked to my friend about the Cardinal being there this morning.


3 posted on 01/05/2010 10:46:17 AM PST by AliVeritas (Is it nothing to you all ye who pass by? Our brothers blood screams from the ground.)
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To: NYer
Prayers for Bishop Perić. My life has headaches, but I would hate to have his.
4 posted on 01/05/2010 10:48:03 AM PST by Hieronymus
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To: NYer
One should exercise extreme caution in regard to unapproved apparitions. There are a couple women at my church that go "faithfully" to Medjugorje almost every year. They go without their husbands or family. Whenever the quest for Mary "literally" divides a family for a period of time, there arises questions in my mind about the purpose of the undertaking.

Jesus can be received mere minutes from almost anyone's home through the reception of the Eucharist at mass, and this is provided daily for spiritual strength. As far as (previous) apparitions of Mary, a trip to Lourdes, Guadalupe, or Fatima, seems a safer (and approved!) bet, and bring the family along.

Lourdes, by the way, has a beautiful 24-hour cam ... it is really thrilling/spiritually exciting to watch it at sunset and then again at sunrise. (And remember your umbrella!) Here's the link:

Live at Lourdes
The Rosary Online
5 posted on 01/05/2010 10:53:04 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: AliVeritas
Medjugorje is one of those highly sensitive topics of discussion. Web master and lecturer, Michael Brown is a supporter of Medjugorje. Frankly, I prefer to take a wait and see attitude. If you are intersted, here is the full text of the Cardinal's presentation:

Full Text

6 posted on 01/05/2010 10:54:05 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: mlizzy
Whenever the quest for Mary "literally" divides a family for a period of time, there arises questions in my mind about the purpose of the undertaking.

Interesting that you should post this. Several years ago, a lapsed Catholic neighbor accepted an invitation and went to Medjugorje. When she returned, she kicked out her live-in "friend" and his twin daughters, filled her house with sacramentals, and began subscribing to a Medjugorje email list. She eventually quit her job, left her adult children, and moved to Maryland where she was convinced the Blessed Mother had called her.

On the one hand, there was the positive effect of turning her life around; on the other, it split the family apart. You make an excellent point! Thanks for the post and ping.

7 posted on 01/05/2010 11:01:56 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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Nearly 20 years ago, in my first novitiate, Medj and its fruits came up in a discussion with a young priest (who is now superior of his order). He gave the opinion that in false apparitions the devil is willing to point some people in directions that will bring about some good as a sort of investment to divert a large amount of pious energy. He gave as an example his own family, which had come back to the Church via Bayside—a clearly false apparition that had cleary had a positive affect on his life.

If one sets asside various fruits, and looks at doctrine, any apparition that recommends a book that is on the index (Poem of the Man God), may, in my professional opinion (for whatever it is worth—I’m a theologian), be dismissed out of hand.

If there are any ardent Medj defenders out there—my prayers but not my response, as I have a syllabus that needs a lot of owork between now and 8AM tomorrow.


8 posted on 01/05/2010 11:26:37 AM PST by Hieronymus
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To: NYer

I’m waiting to see what the Church says. I personally think that the apparitions are tricks and nonsense.


9 posted on 01/05/2010 11:51:13 AM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: NYer
The "Medj heads" we personally know have all been taken aback when we proclaimed that the Church needs to approve these before we will respect them. In other words, they are very defensive of apparitions that may very well be nothing but devilish encounters.

Possibly, at the onset, there were actual Marian apparitions in Medjugorje, but after they curtailed, Yugoslavia (because of the financial success involved with the apparitions) kept them "going on." The Church will be left to sort this all out if the supposed apparitions ever cease. I, for one, pray the rosary "at Lourdes" where I know Mary has appeared.

The Medjugorje Deception: Queen of Peace, Ethnic Cleansing, Ruined Lives
10 posted on 01/05/2010 12:55:06 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: Pope Pius XII
I’m waiting to see what the Church says.

Don't hold your breath. The Vatican only recently recognized an apparition in France that took place 300+ years ago.

Vatican recognizes Marian apparitions in France

Even with the best health care, we won't be around to see the results of Medjugorje ;-)

11 posted on 01/05/2010 1:18:53 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: mlizzy

Thanks for the link. Most informative.


12 posted on 01/05/2010 3:20:05 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: Hieronymus

Great post - thank you.


13 posted on 01/05/2010 4:12:54 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Pray for the United States of America!)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis

This Religion Forum thread is labeled “Catholic Caucus” meaning if you are not Catholic, do not post on this thread.


16 posted on 01/05/2010 9:02:09 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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18 posted on 01/05/2010 9:27:32 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; Kolokotronis
This Religion Forum thread is labeled “Catholic Caucus” meaning if you are not Catholic, do not post on this thread

Kolo and I and all Orthodox Christians are Catholic, RM.

19 posted on 01/06/2010 8:02:44 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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Kolo and I and all Orthodox Christians are Catholic, RM.

Kosta is correct ,even though there are differences on issues of this thread,it is not up to the RM's to play God.FR loses all credibility by doing so.

20 posted on 01/08/2010 5:05:02 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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