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Are Books of Scripture Missing from the Bible? (Ecumenical)
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Posted on 02/19/2010 7:42:49 AM PST by restornu

The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:

Book of the Wars of the Lord Numbers 21:14

Book of Jasher Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18

Book of the acts of Solomon 1 Kings 11:41

Book of Samuel the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Gad the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Nathan the prophet 1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29

Prophecy of Ahijah 2 Chronicles 9:29

Visions of Iddo the Seer 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22

Book of Shemaiah 2 Chronicles 12:15

Book of Jehu 2 Chronicles 20:34

Sayings of the Seers 2 Chronicles 33:19

An epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 5:9

An earlier epistle to the Ephesians Ephesians 3:3

Epistle to the Laodiceans Colosians 4:16

Prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude Jude 1:14

Book of the covenant Exodus 24:7 (may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus)

The Manner of the Kingdom, written by Samuel 1 Samuel 10:25

Acts of Uzziah, written by Isaiah 2 Chronicles 26:22

The "Acts of Abijah...in the Story of the Prophet Iddo" 2 Chronicles 13:22 (seems to not be the same as the Prophecy of Ahijah or the Visions of Iddo)

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete. Matthew's reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no such statement. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isaiah 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.

Luke noted (Luke 1:1) that "many" had written about "those things which are most surely believed among us," yet our Bible has only two earlier Gospels, those of Matthew and Mark (John having been written after Luke). The Bible doesn't contain the earlier books to which Luke had reference. The books of 1-2 Kings frequently speak of the "rest of the acts" of the kings contained in the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. Some readers undoubtedly believe that these refer to the books known as 1 and 2 Chronicles in our present Bibles. But an examination of the latter shows that they generally do not reveal any of the additional information about these kings that we expect to find there. Moreover, there is good evidence that the biblical books of Chronicles are really later reworkings of 2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings, with deletion of much more material than they add. Consequently, they cannot be the chronicles referred to in the earlier books.

Another reference to a writing not found in the Bible is in 2 Chronicles 35:25, where we read that Jeremiah's lamentation for the slain king Josiah is "written in the lamentations." Many Bible readers have assumed that Josiah is the "anointed of the Lord...taken in their pits," mentioned in Lamentations 4:20. There are two problems with this identification, however: 1) The book of Lamentations was written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC, two decades after the death of Josiah, and 2) The "anointed of the Lord" taken in the pit clearly refers to the last king of Judah, Zedekiah, who, at the time the Babylonians took Jerusalem, was caught "in their pit" and taken captive to Babylon (Ezekiel 19:8-9). In connection with the Nazarene prophecy, we might add that the scriptural quotes by Jesus found in Luke 11:49 and John 7:38 are not found in today's Old Testament. Similar unsupported quotes are found in Ephesians 5:14 and James 4:5f, as well as in Acts 20:35, where Paul attributes to Jesus a saying found nowhere else in the Bible, including the Gospels.


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1 posted on 02/19/2010 7:42:49 AM PST by restornu
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2 posted on 02/19/2010 7:43:27 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

“Are Books of Scripture Missing from the Bible?”

Nope.


3 posted on 02/19/2010 7:44:04 AM PST by Grunthor (America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: restornu

A lot of books aren’t in the Bible, but all of the Scripture is there.


4 posted on 02/19/2010 7:46:11 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: restornu
Just because those books are mentioned they don't have to be included in the Bible - the Bible is saying that if you want to know more about the subject under discussion go to those books and read it.

The Book of Mormon depends on the Bible for proof but the Bible does not need the BOM to prove itself ....

5 posted on 02/19/2010 7:55:12 AM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: restornu

I played musical churches in my young life. I was baptized in a Nazarene church, went to a private Baptist school, and later in life I spent time at a Catholic church and I found it interesting how the Bible’s were different and then there was the NIV version, and a couple other versions I think. Anyway, I was a lukewarm church goer at best, but I find ALL beliefs interesting. I also find it hard to believe that God has shown us all we will ever need to know. That is just my opinion though.


6 posted on 02/19/2010 7:58:33 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: restornu

You’ve got living prophets.

Your guys ought to be able to come up with the missing books by revelation.


7 posted on 02/19/2010 8:09:23 AM PST by lurk
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To: restornu

This thread cannot be a caucus because it is making comparisons between Holy writ. I will change the label to “ecumenical” so that antagonism is not allowed.


8 posted on 02/19/2010 8:20:29 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: restornu

God created everything..the Universe, me, you and everyone who ever lived. God is in control in the world..If God wanted the Bible to have certain books in the Bible, they would be there!!

Nothing is missing...


9 posted on 02/19/2010 8:22:22 AM PST by Ecliptic
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To: All
This Religion Forum thread's label has been changed to "ecumenical."

That means NO ANTAGONISM AT ALL is allowed on this thread.

10 posted on 02/19/2010 8:22:25 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

When does honest disagreement become antagonism?


11 posted on 02/19/2010 8:23:22 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: 999replies

“I also find it hard to believe that God has shown us all we will ever need to know.”

Why?


12 posted on 02/19/2010 8:26:13 AM PST by MaryContrary
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To: Religion Moderator

The poster asks a question. Those who don’t want answers should not ask questions.


13 posted on 02/19/2010 8:27:05 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: restornu

Why would a Mormonism apologist ask this question? ...


14 posted on 02/19/2010 8:30:45 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Genoa
When does honest disagreement become antagonism?

When the comments made provoke hostility in the correspondent.

On "ecumenical" Religion Forum threads, the poster MUST be diplomatic, thoughtful of his opponents' positions.

15 posted on 02/19/2010 8:30:49 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Genoa

When the truth hurts.


16 posted on 02/19/2010 8:30:57 AM PST by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: restornu

We’re talking about the entire Bible. Are you excluding Protestants and Catholics?

Doesn’t it need to be an Ecumenical thread? Or an open thread?


17 posted on 02/19/2010 8:32:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MaryContrary

Why? ... A parallel for instruction would be the use of firearms: until a child is old enough to be responsible and learn ALL the vagaries of the dangers and respect for a firearm necessary to safely handle a firearm, the child should not be given access to firearms or the ammo for same.


18 posted on 02/19/2010 8:34:07 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: 999replies

“I also find it hard to believe that God has shown us all we will ever need to know. That is just my opinion though.”

But, he has shown us all we will ever need to know about salvation. Without that all other inquiries are moot.


19 posted on 02/19/2010 8:34:13 AM PST by oworm
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To: 999replies

You didn’t mention where you ended up in a denomination.

Your remark about only the Bible — that’s why the Bible says that not all things are written down......in three places.

Thus, the Catholic Church maintains the belief in Holy Tradition. Check out the Catholic Apologetics Threads — the Bible is coming up in the series.


20 posted on 02/19/2010 8:35:41 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Religion Moderator

How do I know what is going to “provoke hostility” in someone else before I send it?


21 posted on 02/19/2010 8:35:47 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Religion Moderator

thank you just read this!


22 posted on 02/19/2010 8:36:13 AM PST by restornu
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To: SkyDancer

Sky I had trouble about this when I was not LDS and so do many folks when they ponder it!


23 posted on 02/19/2010 8:40:11 AM PST by restornu
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To: Religion Moderator

And why is my 4 gone while 3 and 7 are still there?


24 posted on 02/19/2010 8:40:12 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Genoa

Put yourself in your correspondents’ shoes and reread your comment before pressing “post.” If it needs to be toned down, then do so.


25 posted on 02/19/2010 8:40:55 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Genoa

Your post #4 would have been inappropriate for a “caucus” - since the thread label has been changed, I will restore your comment.


27 posted on 02/19/2010 8:42:15 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

My most humble thanks.


28 posted on 02/19/2010 8:43:54 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: restornu

jesus-is-lord.com and jesus-is-savior.com are not allowed on the Religion Forum at all because of their Chick references.


29 posted on 02/19/2010 8:44:20 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: restornu
The way I see it - if all those books that 'scholars' say are 'missing' from the Bible you'd have something so ponderous it would be hard to pick out God's message(s) to us. So I've always said that the Bible is basically a reference book and if you want to read more in a book that was mentioned in it, then go to that book and read it. All we need for our faith is summed up in the Bible as it is.

I always see references to the Bible in Mormon literature to prove a point but nowhere do I see the Bible mentioning the Book of Mormon to prove itself ....

30 posted on 02/19/2010 8:51:27 AM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for the info.


31 posted on 02/19/2010 8:52:31 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: restornu

No. They’re all there. My Bible is only missing the books that didn’t qualify as scripture, like the Book of Mormon


32 posted on 02/19/2010 8:58:05 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: MaryContrary
“I also find it hard to believe that God has shown us all we will ever need to know.” Why?

Why does anyone believe what they believe?

33 posted on 02/19/2010 9:05:34 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: 999replies
That's a nice thought, but it puts your viewpoint at odds with scripture. "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Not my words.
34 posted on 02/19/2010 9:10:54 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: Ecliptic
God created everything..the Universe, me, you and everyone who ever lived. "God is in control in the world"..If God wanted the Bible to have certain books in the Bible, they would be there!!

Nothing is missing...

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"God is in control in the world"

God will not interfere with free will The Lord will inform His servants but the game of scrimmage of good vs evil being played out here on earth and the Lord is our protector but we are still mortal.

the Scriptures inform us that in Eph. 6

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

21 But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:

22 Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts.

23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

Also the scriptures tell us

Eph 1
Saints foreordained to receive the gospel—Gospel to be restored in latter-days—Saints sealed by Holy Spirit of Promise—They know God and Christ by revelation

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Really than why did they Crucify our Lord and kill of his apostles and change His word as Paul stated in the Lord told Paul to warns Timothy about to be on the look out that no other gospel be taught!

The Lord is concern that is why he informs his servants!

1 Tim 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

35 posted on 02/19/2010 9:13:44 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Are Books of Scripture Missing from the Bible?

While the books of the Bible contain references to scripture that is currently unavailable, there are also many different versions of the Bible which contain different books. It is a false notion that the Bible has been and is a fixed set of scripture. Various editors have removed and added books to their version of the Bible based on their beliefs. Further the text of the Bible has been altered by copyists over the centuries. That is purpose of the field of NT textual criticism, to create a version of the NT that is as close as possible to the original text.

A good popular book on the subject is: "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why"

36 posted on 02/19/2010 9:17:54 AM PST by TheDon
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To: restornu
Book of Remembrance - 3 Nephi 24:16
Prophecies of Zenos - 1 Nephi 19:10: Jacob 5:1
Prophecies of Zenock - 1 Nephi 19:10
Prophecies of Neum - 1 Nephi 19:10
Missing Plates from Laban - 1Nephi 3:3-4
Lost Teachings of Benjamin - Mosiah 1:8
Lost Word of Amulek - Alma 9:34
Lost Words of Alma - Alma 13:31
Lost Teachings of Alma - Alma 8:1
Lost Teachings of Helaman - Helaman 5:13

but then that ASSUMES the bom to be factual - which it isn't and therefore ANY missing books are as bogus as the bom already is.

The mormon church also has a prophet who could add to their canon at ANY time - yet doesn't. Ever wonder why - this is the result of one of these "missing" scriptures that they added to their canon

37 posted on 02/19/2010 9:33:09 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: nysuperdoodle

I am sure my viewpoints are at odds with more than just some scriptures. Just like you cannot legislate common sense, you cannot get millions of believers to agree what exactly the Bible says.


38 posted on 02/19/2010 9:43:00 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: rm; restornu; aimhigh; Alamo-Girl; Alex Murphy; aMorePerfectUnion; Broker; brytlea; Colofornian; ...

This thread is about the Christian Bible...

THe Bible is believed and adhered to by Christians..

As a Christian and a reader and believer in the Christian Bible for the past 50+ years, I feel that I am being excluded from a thread about MY religion and MY Book of sacred scriptures...

Religion Moderator, please comment...


39 posted on 02/19/2010 9:46:39 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

The thread tag has been changed from “caucus” to “ecumenical” - you can post here but NO ANTAGONISM is allowed. Read my previous comments on the thread.


40 posted on 02/19/2010 9:49:25 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: restornu
Are the missing books translated correctly...
41 posted on 02/19/2010 9:50:21 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you...


42 posted on 02/19/2010 9:50:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: nysuperdoodle
Interesting ... did you know that Joseph Smith 'translated' the King James Bible, adding thousands of words and passages, including to the Book of The Revelation of John? For an interesting read, try reading the last part of the Book of Genesis in the JOseph Smith 'translation' of the King James Bible ... he added hundreds of words in order to fabricate a prophecy of his advent!

I'm one who believes that the God Who created the entire Universe is more than able to have exactly what passages He wants in the communication He has arranged for the minds/spirits of His family in Christ Jesus. Every time a translation of the Bible is done, the message is being shared which God wants shared. Nuance is not a zoo animal.

43 posted on 02/19/2010 9:58:11 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: restornu

It seems that most of the books listed are basically reference books. It’s the equivalent of me using a story from George Washington’s life to teach a spiritual or moral lesson, and then saying “If you want to learn more about George Washington, read “George Washington” by xxxxx.”

Although they might be interesting reading, God in His wisdom decided that they weren’t germaine to the point at hand.


44 posted on 02/19/2010 10:01:54 AM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: restornu

Missing??? or left out intentionally by God?

God speaks to us every day... that doesn’t make everything He says scriptural.

I believe God was just as directly involved in the process of consolidating the books of the bible as He was in the inspired writing of each and every word in it.

Is it possible that God directed an early day christian to write what He told them with the intent of including it in scripture, and for whatever reason it did not get included in the list? Sure it is. But whatever that reason is, it is God’s reason. If such a scenario unfolded that we don’t know about, or suspect (your list of missing books) was left out or became “Missing”, it is most likely because that particular author in that particular book decided to interject his/her own views alongside what God directed them to write. THAT alone would disqualify it as scripture, even if it was a single sentence that did not come from God. Absolute perfection in scripture cannot come from anyone except God... and frankly I would not be surprised one bit if one or more of those books in your list were originally intended to become scripture, but were rejected by God in the end due to human error (not following God’s inspiration perfectly and completely)


45 posted on 02/19/2010 10:13:47 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hi, Nana, this is a little weird, isn’t it? Discuss, but tiptoe ever so carefully, or you will be yelled at for ANTAGONISM!


46 posted on 02/19/2010 10:28:09 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: MHGinTN

An earlier epistle to the Ephesians Ephesians 3:3
_____________________________________________

No Ephesians 34:3 does not mewntion an earlier epistle to the Ephesians...

It just mentions that Paul had written eaqrlier the saqme thing he was now writing to the Ephesians...

and he did...to the Romans, Corinthinians, Galations, etc...

The churches would have sent copies of Paquls letters to other churches...

After telling the Ephesians in Chapters 1 and 2 about who Jesus is and how they fit into the “household of God” Paul goes on in Chapter 3 to explain why he has told the Christians the prior background...

Ephesians Chapter 3...

Eph 3:1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles—
Eph 3:2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, (Note: from other Christians)

Eph 3:3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. (Note 1: Romans 16:25, 26 Note 2: “written BRIEFLY” not a whole book)

Eph 3:4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, (Note: Paul is saying that THIS letter contains all the Ephesians need to know so there would be no need for any other “lost book of Ephesians”)

Using only this one verse that was listed as an example of “lost books” of the Christian Bible, I believe I have proven that the authors have taken the Bible scropture out of contxt by cherry picking here and there in a vain attempt to prove some point...

Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him— Romans 16:25, 26


47 posted on 02/19/2010 10:36:53 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

Most people who complain about the so-called “missing” books of the Bible have never bothered read all the books that are currently in the Bible.


48 posted on 02/19/2010 10:44:42 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: restornu

Just because other books are mentioned in the Bible, does not mean they are to be considered Scripture.

Paul quotes pagan philosophers, we don’t include those in scripture.

The Bible is complete.


49 posted on 02/19/2010 10:46:11 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Meh,

I can’t follow every discussion on this subject. If some goofy beliefs are at risk of becoming mainstream, then I take notice.


50 posted on 02/19/2010 10:48:57 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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