Posted on 02/19/2010 11:32:44 PM PST by bogusname
THE LADY OF FATIMA- Introduction Some Roman Catholics believe that Mary, the mother of Christ, has actually appeared to people in places like Fatima and Medjugorje. Well, did she?
THE LADY OF FATIMA- Biblical? In evaluating the alleged appearances of Mary, our primary concern would be to determine whether these apparitions are indeed biblical. Interestingly enough, these “Marian apparitions” (as they are commonly referred to) are inextricably woven together with the official Catholic teachings about Mary which, by the way, is known as Mariology. In fact, it would be fair to say that Catholic Mariology is the very foundation of Marian apparitions. It’s been well said that a structure is only as solid as its foundation; and in looking at Marian apparitions, we need to examine the integrity of this whole concept referred to as Catholic Mariology.
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I don’t follow you.
Then what your saying is Luther had his own opinions. And that is all they are. Luther had no authority.
If Luther had no authority, why bother listening to anything he said? I wouldn’t waste my time if that was the case.
I have to go pick up a pizza. But here’s a bit from wikipedia and Martin Luther:
Martin Luther believed that Mary did not have other children, and did not have any marital relations with Joseph,[25] maintaining, that the brothers mentioned were cousins.[26] This is consistent with his lifelong acceptance of the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary.
So, was Luther wrong or right? And what else was he wrong or right about?
Do you think EVERY Christian in the year 80 had their own printed bible? How many were there? How many people had their own?
I’d be willing to guess. .000000000001 percent? 1 out of 5 million?
God's Word was Luther's authority.
wikipedia
Martin Luther was just a man. He did not author scripture. Men can follow God and be in error. Popes are perfect examples of that.
I know you think you have a gotcha moment here, but please don’t let this distract you from presenting scripture to back your arguments.
I’m still waiting for you to show me a single verse or people praying to the deceased.
Steve, you’ve missed the latest advances in theology. It has to do with the “Tethering doctrine”. Saints are alive in Heaven, but cannot move outside of the heavenly boundaries.
Spiritual bungee cords.
“Do you think EVERY Christian in the year 80 had their own printed bible?”
I’m answering your question. as you DEMANDED. No, every Christian did not have their own Gospel, but likely every church had one.
My point is: God’s word was available to the people thru the pulpit at the very least. they were NOT dependent on “Tradition.”
Hence the Catholic tradition of just making stuff up is bogus.
Buy any indulgences lately? Thats a catholic tradition. For a donation to the church you are pre-forgiven to sin in places like brothels for 24 hours. This is history too.
Its why tradition is NOT the same as scripture. Tradition is as corruptible as man. Scripture is inspired of God.
Why should I trust the Catholics on Mary when they sold indulgences?
Tradition. there ya go.
Oh, pizza is a wonderful thing.
Anyway. What is your aversion to tradition? Here are some scripture references to tradition:
Scripture and Tradition
“I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you” (1 Cor. 11:2).
“Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us” (2 Tim. 1:13-14).
“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” (2 Thess. 2:15)
“You, then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also” (2 Tim. 2:1-2).
“First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Peter 1:20-21).
“‘Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink, but I hope to come to see you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete” (2 John 12).
The early Christians had no bibles. They had the word of the Apostles. The words and the traditions.
If he is, I didn't find it.
Here’s a link to wikipedia, prayers for the dead. Jewish, tradition, protestant, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_for_the_dead
And by the way, your still dodging. I’ve provided some scripture references. You still haven’t answered the questions I asked.
“Martin Luther was just a man. He did not author scripture.”
Here’s another problem for you. Your right, Martin Luther did no author scripture. Men wrote down the scriptures. Catholic men.
In fact, Jesus did not even promise to leave us a bible, Jesus promised to leave us a church. And, that church is the catholic church.
Martin Luther believed that Mary did not have other children, and did not have any marital relations with Joseph,[25] maintaining, that the brothers mentioned were cousins.[26] This is consistent with his lifelong acceptance of the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary.
I have an even better question. If the scriptures condemn our religion "in so many places", why did we bother to preserve them for 1500 years so that your religion could misuse them to slander ours?
The Bible itself rejects that idea.
I have an even better question. If the scriptures condemn our religion “in so many places”, why did we bother to preserve them for 1500 years so that your religion could misuse them to slander ours?
That is a good question. I’m going to have to borrow that one.
Actually, it is only your own personal interpretation of Scriptures that condemn the Catholic Church.
And why in the world should anyone care about that?
Your denial is not from God.
I can believe you, or I can believe the Church founded by Christ.
She must weep to see people elevating her to a false goddess.
Wait: you said she's dead. What gives?
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