Posted on 02/22/2010 10:17:55 AM PST by Between the Lines
I think the author is alluding to the fact that the Church plays down any division of doctrinal thought within the Church.
Thank you for sharing your tradition of men.
Gal 1:6 is a warning against protestantism.
Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God?
Luther, or God? Calvin, or God? Machen, or God?
By their faith in Christ they became Christians, fathers of the Catholic Church.
Amen to that!
They were and are the traditions of the Catholic Church, as founded by Jesus Christ (the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity) circa AD 33.
An assumption on which not everyone agrees. For example, Catholics.
What you missed is the Pharisees were living according to their tradition...And Jesus rebuked them for that...
“Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do
Jesus was talking about observing the 'written' Law...The Oracles...'Do what they tell you to observe', do not follow their ungodly tradition...
Following the Laws was not tradition...NOT following the Law had become the Pharisee's tradition...
You've got it backwards...
This is precisely why we do not live by the Pharisees' traditions.
ggod one!
You wrote:
“What you missed is the Pharisees were living according to their tradition...And Jesus rebuked them for that...”
I did not miss that. I already stated that in fact. Maybe you should pay more attention?
“Jesus was talking about observing the ‘written’ Law...The Oracles...’Do what they tell you to observe’, do not follow their ungodly tradition...”
Jesus was telling them to obey the Pharisees in what they taught, but to not do what the Pharisees did. They taught the traditions of the Jewish faith. They did those AND their own traditions of men.
“Following the Laws was not tradition...NOT following the Law had become the Pharisee’s tradition...”
The Law was traditional. Interpreting the law was traditional. Following the laws was traditional.
“You’ve got it backwards...”
Nope. You do.
Hello. Long time, no see.
Please provide a Scriptural reference for the fact that all traditions got written down.
“In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.”
I Corinthians 11:18-19
Don’t let the turkeys get you down. This is just one of their tactics...
By their faith in Christ they became Christians, fathers of the Catholic Church.
The term Christian did not occur until the Greek Pagans You must be kidding.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
began to follow the Jewish Messiah.
The origin of the term is irrelevant. Jesus is Christ, they believed He is Christ and that faith makes them Christians.
Bingo — You have spoken the truth — now if people decide not to accept it — that is their problem.
But you have fulfilled what is asked of us in the Bible: To offer brotherly correction.
God smiles at you for doing this all the time.
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
They can not both be legitimate unless they are the same...
I count my blessings and know that I am blessed. Praise Him.
If your family has always tied it's shoelaces together when sitting down at the dinner table, that would be tradition...
Following the LETTER of the Law as laid down by God was not tradition
They did not follow the letter of the law written in the scrolls because it was their tradition...They did it because God told them to do so...
The mistake that Roman Catholic critics make...and in fact, many well meaning proponents of it also make of Sola Scriptura, is that it does NOT deny that there are various authorities of truth...it simply acknowledges a hierarchy, and scripture is the FINAL authority on all issues pertaining to faith and morals.
Reformed thought for example has always divided the sources of truth in 2 main categories: General Revelation...which would be science and study, all normal sources of information & knowledge, including tradition actually, and Special Revelation which are the holy Scriptures themselves.
General Revelation is never denied as authoritative, but secondarily so.... only AS understood through the lens of the final and full authority of God’s Word, that is Special Revelation.
This is why the vast majority of colleges and universities (including most of the Ivy League)in the USA were founded by Protestant religious groups. If they had been SOLO SCRIPTURA (the Bible alone has any authority) then only Bible schools would make sense...and study of any other subject would naturally be considered suspicious...but that is not, and never has been, the case for what one can call the traditional “magisterial Protestants” coming from the Reformation (these would include Reformed/Presbyterians, Anglicans and Lutherans) as well as many groups which came out of those original Reformation era groups (such as Baptists and Methodists for example).
Just as “sola fide” (only by faith) does NOT mean that true faith comes alone (it is always accompanied by good works following after it...) neither does “sola scriptura” mean that classical Protestants think only the bible has authority....rather, it alone has FINAL authority.
There’s a big difference between that concept, and saying the Bible alone has any authority....
You wrote:
“Following the LETTER of the Law as laid down by God was not tradition”
Yeah, actually it was.
“They did not follow the letter of the law written in the scrolls because it was their tradition...They did it because God told them to do so...”
They did it for both reasons and tradition guided them on how to do it.
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