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REVERENCE FOR THE BIBLE -Mormon- (OPEN)
LDS Newsroom ^ | January, 2008

Posted on 02/23/2010 9:54:36 AM PST by greyfoxx39

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To: Vendome

On another note, my great great grandfather did come with Brigham, arriving in the second company.

I have long since departed, however I am proud of my heritage even though the dogma is false.


241 posted on 02/23/2010 4:53:23 PM PST by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Twelve Miles East of Zion National Park)
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To: Utah Binger; colorcountry
On another note, my great great grandfather did come with Brigham, arriving in the second company.

Have we discussed your status as a royal? You too, CC. ;)

242 posted on 02/23/2010 5:00:55 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry
A Royal? Why of course! Come down here my dear and kiss my ring. LOL

I get up very early in the morning, but not early enough to get my shirt stuffed as a ROYAL.

243 posted on 02/23/2010 5:15:29 PM PST by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Twelve Miles East of Zion National Park)
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To: Utah Binger

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

A “caste” system...

How very Hindu...


244 posted on 02/23/2010 5:19:05 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Vendome

I had just gotten it as an e-mail.

Cleaned it up a bit and - viola! - here it is!


245 posted on 02/23/2010 5:22:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four

Hi TMF

Of course we cannot be saved by our own efforts — we are dependent upon the atoning sacrifice of our Savior, for without him we would be lost forever.

You ask how we should follow Christ. I would point to the Sermon on the Mount — these are instructions that Jesus gave to his followers and provide a thorough guide on how he wants his followers to live.

At the conclusion of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says:

“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7)

So it is important that we be “doers of the word, not hearers only”(James 1:22)


246 posted on 02/23/2010 5:24:54 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy
...a physical manifestation confirmed in both the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants.

I wouldn't say confirmed, for if one BELIEVES the Bible, then no 'confirmation' is needed.

Agreeing with; maybe.

Plagiarized? Definitely!

247 posted on 02/23/2010 5:28:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
 

I don't know that we teach it

In case you don't recognize the title of this post, it is part of President Hinckley's answer to a reporter's question that appeared in the August 4 1997 issue of Time magazine. The reporter referenced the King Follett discourse. The answer supplied and the manner in which it was delivered caused the reporter to draw some false conclusions about a very important doctrine.

In that discourse, the prophet Joseph Smith said, "If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man." (See also D&C 130:22)

The article referred to Lorenzo Snow's couplet, "As man is now, God once was; as God now is, man may become." The reporter said, "God the Father was once a man as we are. This is something that Christian writers are always addressing." President Hinckley was then asked, "Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?"

The bothersome reply

"I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."

The reporter wrote, "On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain." That's an unfortunate conclusion. Of course I wasn't at the interview and neither were you but I'll bet the reporter mistook careful thoughtfulness for uncertainty. This doctrine is indeed deep territory and not something that is taught outside the LDS Church.



An earlier and similar interview

The San Francisco Chronicle, published an interview with President Hinckley in April of 1997. The reporter asked, "There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormon's believe that God was once a man?" President Hinckley responded, "I wouldn't say that. There is a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'"

He then said, "Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." The reporter pounced on this. "So you're saying that the church is still struggling to understand this? " President Hinckley responded, "Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly."

President Hinckley's response

President Hinckley said in October 1997 General Conference: "I personally have been much quoted, and in a few instances misquoted and misunderstood. I think that's to be expected. None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine.

"I think I understand them thoroughly, and it is unfortunate that the reporting may not make this clear. I hope you will never look to the public press as the authority on the doctrines of the Church." And there lies the whole point of my post today. Some members did indeed become a little concerned by the exchanges they read in the press reports of those interviews.

Does the Church still teach this?

I know this is old news but it still bothers some people when they discover the anti-Mormon attacks floating around on the Internet. President Hinckley was right. We really don't know much about how our Heavenly Father became a God. The idea that he passed through a mortal probationary state like you and me is certainly not documented in any scripture of which I know.

However, it is still taught. In the Gospel Principles manual in the chapter on exaltation we read, "Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)."

Summary and conclusion

I don't know why this should bother anyone. The doctrine is true. Joseph Smith knew a whole lot more about this than I do. President Hinckley also knew a whole lot more about this doctrine than he was willing to share with reporters who did not have the background to understand it. It must have been difficult for President Hinckley to hold back and not teach it in those interviews.

It didn't bother me when I read the interviews back in 1997 and it doesn't bother me today. However, I know it does bother some people. We each have trials of our faith. I have never depended on an intellectual understanding of the gospel in order to accept it and live it. There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.

 



 There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith. alrighty then!!!

 

 

 


248 posted on 02/23/2010 5:30:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger
Stuffed shirt, is that sorta like the “puffy pirate shirt”?
249 posted on 02/23/2010 5:34:39 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: Godzilla
If it is the only means of salvation - why slum around with the bom, d&c and pogp?

Ding ding DING!!

We have a winner!

250 posted on 02/23/2010 5:36:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
Of course we cannot be saved by our own efforts and doers of the word

Both huh?

251 posted on 02/23/2010 5:36:47 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Be alert!!

Only 500 to go!

252 posted on 02/23/2010 5:36:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome

Chuck-El


253 posted on 02/23/2010 5:39:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four

STOP stop saying that!


254 posted on 02/23/2010 5:40:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla; Vendome
How can your belief in something result in a genetic marker that matches those of a certain other people, say the 10 lost tribes or in their case Trope.

Well; if one can watch them adopted kids get whiter and whiter...

255 posted on 02/23/2010 5:42:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four

STOP your SAYING of “STOP SAYING THAT!”


256 posted on 02/23/2010 5:44:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Then “offer me money”.


257 posted on 02/23/2010 5:46:20 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: Vendome

Called covering your bases.’

It don’t matter how many get proved wrong, at least ONE of them could BE RIGHT!

(Kinda like MORMON propchecies. The FALSE ones get ignored, the co-incidental ones get glorified.)


258 posted on 02/23/2010 5:50:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
The views of he and his followers are really not worth the exhibited effort. In short, one does not bandy words with fools.

True; but there are lurkers around that may get sucked in to this Satanic scheme, and we work to keep that from happening.

259 posted on 02/23/2010 5:53:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

No, no, you don’t understand. As a ROYAL I look down upon you poor simple converts without history legs to sustain you.

After all, we have the blood. You don’t!


260 posted on 02/23/2010 5:54:26 PM PST by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Twelve Miles East of Zion National Park)
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