Posted on 02/24/2010 11:17:16 AM PST by Pyro7480
III. Mary is our Mother and Queen of the New Davidic Kingdom
John 19:26 - Jesus makes Mary the Mother of us all as He dies on the Cross by saying "behold your mother." Jesus did not say "John, behold your mother" because he gave Mary to all of us, his beloved disciples. All the words that Jesus spoke on Cross had a divine purpose. Jesus was not just telling John to take care of his mother.
Rev. 12:17 - this verse proves the meaning of John 19:26. The "woman's" (Mary's) offspring are those who follow Jesus. She is our Mother and we are her offspring in Jesus Christ. The master plan of God's covenant love for us is family. But we cannot be a complete family with the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Christ without the Motherhood of Mary.
John 2:3 - this is a very signifcant verse in Scripture. As our mother, Mary tells all of us to do whatever Jesus tells us. Further, Mary's intercession at the marriage feast in Cana triggers Jesus' ministry and a foreshadowing of the Eucharistic celebration of the Lamb. This celebration unites all believers into one famiy through the marriage of divinity and humanity.
John 2:7 - Jesus allows His mother to intercede for the people on His behalf, and responds to His mother's request by ordering the servants to fill the jars with water.
Psalm 45:9 - the psalmist teaches that the Queen stands at the right hand of God. The role of the Queen is important in God's kingdom. Mary the Queen of heaven is at the right hand of the Son of God.
1 Kings 2:17, 20 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the King does not refuse his mother. Jesus is the new Davidic King, and He does not refuse the requests of his mother Mary, the Queen.
1 Kings 2:18 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the Queen intercedes on behalf of the King's followers. She is the Queen Mother (or "Gebirah"). Mary is our eternal Gebirah.
1 Kings 2:19 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom the King bows down to his mother and she sits at his right hand. We, as children of the New Covenant, should imitate our King and pay the same homage to Mary our Mother. By honoring Mary, we honor our King, Jesus Christ.
1 Kings 15:13 - the Queen Mother is a powerful position in Israel's royal monarchy. Here the Queen is removed from office. But now, the Davidic kingdom is perfected by Jesus, and our Mother Mary is forever at His right hand.
2 Chron. 22:10 - here Queen Mother Athalia destroys the royal family of Judah after she sees her son, King Ahaziah, dead. The Queen mother plays a significant role in the kingdom.
Neh. 2:6 - the Queen Mother sits beside the King. She is the primary intercessor before the King.
Looks like we are traveling a new trail. Cool.
Are there "rules" for priests in doling out penance? Is these some kind of manual for forgiveness? That is one of the reasons why I pointed to Leviticus. In the Old Testament there were clear rules (set in stone so to speak) of what actions needed to be done to clear the slate with God, like restitution, being removed from the camp, punitive damages, sacrifice, etc.
So if I come to the Priest after having committed the sin of gluttony at Claim Jumper, what would be the "official" penance that I should have to do to clear the slate (other than jogging off the excess weight)?
LOL!
Did he forgive you?
The 66 books of the OT and NT Canon.. The OT points to Christ at least thats what he said
No this is just more isogesis
No where are we told Mary is the Queen of anything.. The book of revelation opens heaven and speaks of it..no where is a queen present, no one sits next to Jesus on the throne
That was 40 years ago .....and no, I don't think he ever really did.
No. The Old Law idea of "this sacrifice for this sin, and that sacrifice for that sin" has been fulfilled in Christ's one Sacrifice for all people, all places, all times. Forgiveness of our sins doesn't come from what we do, it comes from what Christ does.
OTOH, there is pastoral guidance as to what a priest should do ... part of his job is to help the penitent to understand the true horror of sin, and to help him/her find ways to amend his/her life. The idea isn't just to receive (from God) forgiveness for sins already committed but, with the help of His grace, avoid those sins in the future.
If I were a priest, and you confessed a sin of gluttony at "Claim Jumpre" ...
Dunno ... I might "impose" a meditation on the idea that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, and deserves more respect than that ... I might suggest avoiding buffets in the future ... Holy Spirit might tell me something else entirely to pass on. I'm not a priest, and this isn't a confession, so the discussion is academic. But I think it provides a good view of what confession has been like, in my experience as an adult.
BTW, “assigning” a reading from Leviticus might not be a bad idea in some cases ... if for no other reason than to help instill a sense of gratitude to Christ for fulfilling all that ... I’m glad we don’t have to sacrifice animals any more.
Maybe you should have dragged him into the confessional and forced some forgiveness out of him.
Thanks AB.
We don't go to confession to get the priest's forgiveness, we go the get God's. The priest only recognizes out contrition.
I thought the Priest's position was effectively God's position, (i.e., whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven). So if the priest tells you that your sins are NOT forgiven, then they remain, isn't that true?
Or is this another pop-culture myth?
I've always wondered how the Mafioso's and gang members can go to confession after killing someone and expect to get forgiveness. If I were the priest, I sure as heck would not offer to bind God to forgiveness of some punk killer just because he pretends to be contrite. I'd tell him to go to hell. And I'd pray that God would be bound to that decision.
IMHO (YOPHO) it is not any man's prerogative to forgive another man for sins they did to someone other than themselves or to declare to them that God has forgiven them. Only God and the victim can forgive and in the case of murder, there is no victim to forgive.
What amazes me is how these politicians who promote abortion can continue to remain in fellowship with the Catholic Church when they have the blood of millions of innocent children on their hands.
Does the priest (by virtue of his office) have the power to bind God to forgiving them merely because they offer up some contrition and a few prayers and maybe a few bucks to buy some pews?
The purpose of the Church is to guide and facilitate everyone in their plan and path to salvation. It is predicated upon forgiveness and redemption.
Both sin and salvation are of the moment and are conscious choices. Each of us can be forgiven for any sin at any time by God, made possible by the death and resurrection of Jesus. Only God knows what is in our hearts.
The priest can ind the Church, but not God. Even the act of Excommunication is implemented such that it is an explicit choice by the one excommunicated and the Church does not suggest a loss of salvation or an interference between the excommunicated and God.
Ok, thanks.
This then naturally brings us to the Council of Trent. The Anathemas that were declared there... do they bind God?
Must God curse the Reformers and all who vow fealty to the Westminster Confession for their doctrinal differences with the Catholic Magisterium?
Are those Anathemas binding on God? If not, then why were they pronounced and why have they not been rescinded? Did the Council of Trent have the authority from God to make those pronouncements?
Of course not, they only bind the Church. In fact, the anathemas were only put on Catholics. You had to be a "card carrying Catholic" in order to "qualify." Anathemas never applied to non-Catholics. Anathema was the most severe form of excommunication. Someone can't be "excommunicated" if they were never in communion with the Church in the first place. Also, the canonical penalty of Anathema was removed from Canon Law (Catholic Church law) in 1983. It is not in the Catechism.
So now we get to the issue of "What is a Catholic"? Is it a follower of Christ or a follower of Rome?
As a follower of Christ I consider myself a member of the Catholic Church as enunciated in the Nicean and Apostle creeds. Apparently some time after the declarations of those creeds fealty to the Bishop of Rome became the defining requirement for inclusion into the membership of the Roman Catholic Church, of which I am not a member. So do the anathemas only apply to members of the Roman Catholic Church?
Since I hold as gospel truth some of the doctrines declared to be Anathema by the Council of Trent, and I consider myself a Catholic as enunciated in the Nicean and Apostle creeds, am I now under some kind of official curse?
Now you are just trying to be contentious. For the purposes of this discussion Catholic (upper case "C") means an adherent to either the Latin or the Eastern (Orthodox) rite.
Wrong. That, my FRiend is Your Own Personal Interpretation of Catholic. [YOPIOC].
I am an adherent to the founding creeds of the uInvisible and Universal Catholic Church by virtue of my fealty to Christ and to the the Nicean and Apostle creeds.
Do you have the authority to excommunicate me from that Church? Is God bound by YOUR decision to disfellowship me because I do not adhere to some non-essential doctrine that was not part of the Early Church?
Now you have a choice, you can attempt to declare my position Anathema and excommunicate me from the fellowship of Christ which I enjoy by virtue of my communion with Christ through faith or you can accept me as a brother in Christ by virtue of my declaration of fealty to Christ and my adherence to the Apostles and Nicean creeds.
My fate is in your hands, brother.
I will side with you to a small degree, Pyro... There is to be a queen.
But the queen is the one that Christ marries. Not His earthly mother (because that's just gross). Numerous scriptures, beyond counting, describe Christ's queen as the virgin Assembly, dressed in white. The "queen" will be Israel. The wedding is on the schedule.
Agreed. ALL glory, laud, and honor belong to the Father, and His Redeemer King.
You are free to be wrong as you want to be, you just can't do and remain in communion with or as a member of the Latin Rite Church.
Pax Vobiscum
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