Posted on 02/24/2010 11:17:16 AM PST by Pyro7480
You diminish God by anthropomorphizing Him.
Catholics are expressly forbidden from adoring Mary. Look it up...
...don’t tell them that...they may take you up on it, and then all their pretty little fantasies and Catholic bashing will be ruined...
When you leave confession and the priest tells you that to atone for your sins you have to say 500 Hail Mary’s, what is that, if it is not a sacrifice to Mary?...
...it is truly remarkable that the more incorrect a person is regarding a subject, the more ridiculous becomes the patter...
If I do (which I don't), it is done in the way HE proposes. The Scriptures that describe Christ's bride are myriad. It is a major theme in the Bible, not to be missed or misconstrued.
Meanwhile, a wee little bit of Scripture, wrenched painfully from the text in a gnostic fashion might point to Mary...
Who better fits the character of the prophesied "queen" then? The earthly, carnal, unquestionably human mother of Christ, or the spiritual woman who is betrothed to the King? Upon the marriage, the daughter of Zion is the wife of the King... What is the wife of the King called, hmmm?
The answer is easy.
And btw, How is it that I am "diminishing God by anthropomorphizing Him" when your own theology defends Mary as queen because of a carnal act? The title comes at least partly from the idea that she is the "wife" of the Spirit, and the "mother" of God... Which in fact, diminishes Him in the greatest fashion?
That's cool brother. But I'm not wrong. I'm just a member of Christ's body of believers. I don't rely upon some Latin rite to secure my place in Christ's Church. Your salvation, like mine, is conditioned only on our being accepted by God and not on some ancient ritual or adherence to some non-essential dogma. My salvation is solely in the hands of Christ, the only priest I need. The Church cannot save me. Only Christ can.
in that sense we are all in the same boat. Thank God the boat is being piloted by Christ
Have a safe voyage, brother.
Incidentally, The very same logic disputes the idea that Mary is the new Eve... The New Adam/Eve scenario better describes an husband/wife relationship.
The Church does not save, it only guides and facilitates. Christ only saves those who have faith and strive to save themselves.
So, God saves those who save themselves?
Salvation requires both faith and works. God willed that man should be left in the hand of his own counsel (Sir 15:14), so that he might of his own accord seek his creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him.
I thought that Pelagianism was declared to be a heresy even by you Latin Rite Catholics
Pelagian professed that man has the ability in and of himself, apart from divine aid, to obey God and earn eternal salvation.
Every human person, created in the image of God, has the natural right to be recognized as a free and responsible being. All owe to each other this duty of respect. The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in moral and religious matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of the human person.
The grace of Christ is not in the slightest way a rival of our freedom when this freedom accords with the sense of the true and the good that God has put in the human heart. On the contrary, as Christian experience attests especially in prayer, the more docile we are to the promptings of grace, the more we grow in inner freedom and confidence during trials, such as those we face in the pressures and constraints of the outer world. By the working of grace the Holy Spirit educates us in spiritual freedom in order to make us free collaborators in his work in the Church and in the world.
That is exactly what you said in your previous post. Maybe you are a heretic or maybe the Latin Rite Church preaches Pelagianism. But your previous post was Pelagian to the core.
When asked to explain the Catholic theology to those who have never bothered to read the Catechism I find it easier to post the Catechism. It is so well written that any attempt to paraphrase or reduce it degrades it.
The thinking has been done. No independent thought is necessary. Boy being a Latin Rite Cathiolic is easy. You are told exactly what to beieve and you just believe it. If you are confronted with a difficult question just copy and paste the official answer. Doctrinal talking points.
That is an extremely insulting position. Like Scripture, Catholics read the Catechism and see it as part of the revealed Word. We read it, reflect upon it, discuss it, and pray about it. To presume that we are mindless automatons because we haven't bought into your man made Sola's demeans the Catholic, the Church, the Apostolic Tradition and through them the Word.
I have tried to accommodate and humor your snide and snarky questions in a legitimate way, but you only take the discussion deeper into your Protestant cesspool. Do me a favor and stop trying to determine and misrepresent what I or any other Catholics believe...and while you are at it, stop posting to me. If you want to know anything about Catholicism you don't need to lurk in threads about Catholicism, you can simply read the Catechism or talk to a priest. That would require intellectual honesty so I don't know how successful you might be. oh, and I won't be responding to any more of your asinine posts.
Not a problem. It was you who started this conversation by posting to me. So next time I post something you don't like, don't post to me.
FReegards,
Marlowe
Catholics love Mary for her role in salvation. There are also many of us who recognize that she has appeared, along with Jesus, in numerous apparitions.
In 1907 she appeared at Fatima and warned world the world to pray for conversion or Marxism would bring destruction to the entire world. The influence from Russia would bring attacks on the church and the Pope in particular. The 3rd prophecy had been kept a secret until Pope John Paul was shot. That was the prophecy.
The Apotalate of Motherhood, is another amazing book which details Blessed Mary's and Jesus' messages for the world. I seem to recall her saying something to the effect that it was very sad to know that some of her children would believe that Jesus would be jealous of His own mother.
Make no mistake about it, we are undergoing spiritual warfare, and the Blessed Mother is among those fighting the good fight.
We need her more than ever, God certainly knew what He was doing.
Satanic Policy of Evil in full effect...Yea Hath God Said
Ipsa conteret caput tuum (Genesis 3:15).
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