[P-Marlowe]

I’m not playing a game nor am I looking for an opportunity to jump anyone. I’m merely using a Socratic method to work through the logic to see what results from our investigation.

The Socratic Method starts with the statement of a premise followed by questions to determine the validity of the premise. You have asserted no premise, and your questions about holiness and righteousness are completely irrelevant to the discussion that was going on before. Basically you just changed the subject. That is not a Socratic method. Changing the subject is just a way to avoid answering pointed questions.

[the_conscience]

P-Marlowe: Obviously the premise revolves around God's interaction with his creation. Asking questions about the Biblical data as it concerns this interaction helps expose how the logic will follow.

MHGinTN wrote:

Holy is a state of being which when God created Adam He did not create Adam holy else Adam would not have sinned.

God said he created Adam very good and in his image. Isn't being righteous and holy acting according to God's commands? God is righteous and holy because he acts according to his own standard. So Adam having never sinned since his creation up until the time he sinned must have been righteous and holy before he sinned. In fact, Paul talks about renewing the image of God as being righteous and holy.

put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.

So clearly being renewed is returning to our original condition in Adam which is righteousness and holiness.