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To: Mr Rogers; Dr. Eckleburg
But when Jesus raised Lazarus so that they might believe, was belief a gift he gave them after regeneration, or belief something they were responsible for?

I'm glad you brought up Lazarus. That is the picture of regeneration. That's what Christ does, he raises people from the dead. And to those who were witnesses it's objective evidence of his power and so they are left without an excuse even if they do not believe in him.

Jesus said, “You refuse to come to me that you may have life”, not, “You do not have life, so you refuse to come”!

Stop with the simplistic antinomies! It's a disgrace to the Scriptural witness. It shows a juvenile understanding of the story of redemption.

53 posted on 02/28/2010 2:24:58 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience
"Stop with the simplistic antinomies! It's a disgrace to the Scriptural witness. It shows a juvenile understanding of the story of redemption. "

Then refute it with a single, clear-cut verse of scripture saying we are born again by a secret act of God to belief. I may be juvenile, but scripture doesn't lie about the plan of salvation. Sola Scriptura - if it is critical, it is also plain!

Calvin based his theory of salvation on the idea we are "dead" in our sin, so that we must be first born again to belief. In doing so, he skipped all the scriptures talking about us as slaves of sin, or servants of sin, or sick & needing healing. THAT was juvenile, but that happens when someone who is 26 writes a Systematic Theology text.

11And he said, "There was a man who had two sons. 12And the younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.' And he divided his property between them. 13Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living. 14And when he had spent everything, a severe famine arose in that country, and he began to be in need. 15So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16And he was longing to be fed with the pods that the pigs ate, and no one gave him anything.

17"But when he came to himself, he said, 'How many of my father’s hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me as one of your hired servants."' 20And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21And the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' 22But the father said to his servants, 'Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. 23And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.' And they began to celebrate.

60 posted on 02/28/2010 2:38:36 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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