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Posted on 02/28/2010 10:27:03 PM PST by restornu
FReepmail from Resty>>>
Re: Joseph Smith—Prophet of the Restoration (LDS Ecumenical)
From restornu | 03/01/2010 6:32:48 AM PST new
Statements like #16 shows a heart that is antagonist and a heart wax hard!
News flash you don’t own or have a corner market on the Bible!
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Please do not FReepmail me...
If you have something to say to me please say it in the open thread
in answer to this FReepmail ...
In 3 16 I had said...
How can this thread be “LDS Ecumenical” when scripture from the Christian Bible is the main text used in the article ???
And also quoted throughout ???
I do not think that the writings of Christianity should be used in an attempt to validate Mormonism’s Joseph Smith, and then members of Christianity shut out from free expression...
16 posted on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:37:37 AM by Tennessee Nana
I stand by what I said then...
Tenessee Nana
Mormons believe the atonement happened in the Garden of Gethsemane.
The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world...”
(Lds “prophet” John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).
There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God”
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
We believe the Atonement of Jesus Christ comprises the time in Gesthemene and on the Cross.
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However Christians believe that Jesus bought us Salvation by shedding His blood on the Cross and dying on the Cross in our place to redeem us from the penalty of spiritual death for our sins...
The Garden of Gethsemanee has nothing to do with our Savation...
The Cross is where it all happened...
Thank you...
I didnt realize I had put Eden instead of Gethsamane...
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How is that mind reading when there is a self admission as in your earlier post
If one states in their earlier post what they think that is not mind reading.
anyway for this thread to be truly Ecumenical that previous post have to be pulled before that time or there is confusion which is not of the Lord but the spirit of contention is still hovering!
Tennessee Nana,
Again, you are saying that if people don’t believe in the exact same tenants you do that they are not Christian. I guess we Mormons could say the same thing and call you a non-Christian, but we don’t because it’s not up to each denomination to designate other denominations’ Christianity.
I am always grateful to encounter other who believe in Christ, and wish that the day may come when those who believe in Jesus Christ as Savior could share a feeling of brotherhood instead of derision and ridicule.
The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
Define what you mean by Jesus Christ, because your former prophet is on record as saying LDS do not worship the same Jesus of Christianity.
Derision, divisiveness. Again, each Christian denomination believes different particulars about Christ. Your insistence on deriding Mormons is sad. Why don’t you focus on building up instead of criticizing?
Now THAT is IRONY...
If you really wanted to know the answer to your question, you would search what President Hinckley meant. But you don’t want to know, you just want to ridicule and deride.
I think you’re sad and wasting time tearing down.
How can this thread be “LDS Ecumenical” when scripture from the Christian Bible is the main text used in the article ???
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Which always begs the question: why does the LDS Church often times offer the King James Bible in their commercials, and NOT the Joseph Smith Translation? After all, Joseph Smith was commanded by God to finish this translation?
I do know the answer. Hinckley said what he said, I am going to take a leap here and say he meant what he said.
LOL
No, I specifically asked for a concise mormon definition of Jesus Christ - given that YOUR former prophet, seer and president IS ON THE RECORD as stating that the Jesus of mormonism is different from that of Christianity. The bible states that we are not to be unequally yoked - so I'm giving you an opportunity to show that the Jesus of mormonism is the same as Jesus of Christianity. Each Christian denomination holds to common, fundamentals regarding Christ. If that is deriding, then I guess that you prophet is correct, the Jesus' are different.
EB, mormons are the ones that derided Christianity from the very beginning and seperated themselves from the greater Christian church.
I left mormonism in the 1960s, and even then we were PROUD of being "above" those that were not in the "one true church".
Compiled by Bill McKeever
A common response to Christians who question the teachings of Mormonism is to accuse them of being contentious and unloving. Often Mormons will question the "Christianity" of the person and proudly claim that members of the LDS Church never criticize the beliefs of others and therefore conclude that no one else should either. As the following quotes demonstrate, Mormons leaders have long criticized Christians, and oftentimes very harshly.
Joseph Smith claimed that he had seen both God the Father and Jesus Christ and asked these personages which church he should join. He claimed he was told to join none of them, "for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).
When asked "Will all be damned but Mormons?" Smith replied, "Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).
"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10).
The Doctrine and Covenants (1:30) leaves no doubt to the Mormon teaching of exclusivity when it says the LDS church is, "the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased ...."
"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73).
"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171).
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199).
"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
For even WORSE criticisms of Christianity, click here.
Are you even aware of the antagonism of the mormon church towards Christians well into the 1980s?
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