Posted on 03/13/2010 12:09:43 PM PST by Salvation
nope, you don’t....only in Catholocism is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus present in the eucharist...Jesus founded a church and expected His followers to embrace it....they did until the 1500’s when Martin and that group decided that they knew better how to found a church than did Christ.....when Christ founded the Catholic church, and indeed He did, He promised to be with Her until the end of time!!!!!He still is.
Along the way I pray that you will move from your present darkness (at least it seems that way) tot the light of the Father, Son and Holy spirit.
“The Lord is my light and my salvation.”
So stop with the ‘pagan’ argument. If it’s OT it’s far different then pagan.
That is the history even if it is not the intent.. there is no biblical basis for it.. it is a man made tradition with no spiritual benefit
Christ live in me and I in Him. I am never outside His presence and He is never outside mine..
Is the physical more real than the spiritual??
There was no Roman Catholic church til Constantine , Christ founded the Christian church ... I would be happy to discuss this with you, but it is off topic to the thread..
What do you mean that’s the history of it? It is scriptural, just as much as any other part of the OT.
Sacramentals have always been a part of the church.
“There was no Roman Catholic church til Constantine.”
Really? According to you?
That’s not what Scripture says. Scripture says that Christ gave Peter the authority to bind and to loose, and gave him the keys to the Kingdom of heaven.
“There was no Roman Catholic church til Constantine , Christ founded the Christian church”
We’ve heard this and it has been debunked time after time after time after time.
Following the edicts of a 500 year old heresy is not following Christ. Come back to Christ’s own church.
We have Saintly Salsa, Priestly Pepper, Nativity Nutmeg, and Congregational Cummin, but no Blessed Salt.
Shucks.
So what you are doing is calling her a heretic and a pagan, right?
Names of the days of the week - taken from pagans.
Names of the months of the year - taken from pagans.
Wedding rings - taken from pagans.
Wedding bouquets - taken from pagans.
Exchange of wedding vows - taken from pagans.
White wedding dress - taken from pagans.
Our type of clothing - taken from pagans (especially pants by the way).
Christ fulfilled all the types and traditions of the OT worship.. It is indeed scripture, but it is pointing us to Christ..not to offer lambs as sacrifices or to have scape goats sent out to the field ...
That is over.. as are all the OT ceremonies .
Christ and the apostles clearly pointed out what the new church was to look like ...and there is no holy water or holy salt used in the NT church
You wrote:
“That is the history even if it is not the intent.. there is no biblical basis for it.. it is a man made tradition with no spiritual benefit.”
I know people who have gotten spiritual benefit from it. What you’re saying is like saying, “Printing Bibles. Man made tradition. No spiritual benefit there.”
It’s not the brightest thing to say. Spiritual benefits can come to people through prayerful use of sacramentals in their lives. It helps draw people closer to God.
I wonder if you add exorcized holy salt to your noodles if they become holy noodles??
I think we need to ask from where does that spiritual "benefit "come..
Remember the "angel of light" loves confusion
Mark 13: . 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
All "miracles" are not from God
Its not the brightest thing to say. Spiritual benefits can come to people through prayerful use of sacramentals in their lives. It helps draw people closer to God.
If the spiritual benefit is relying on an object or thing instead of Christ, it has no spiritual benefit only peril .
NO where do the apostles or Christ tell us to rely on "holy exorcized " water or salt for any benefit..no where do they tell us that demons can even inhabit them . If it was intended for the spiritual benefit of men, they would have revealed it to us
So then you admit the Roman Catholic church shares pagan worship methods? And that is fine with you??
Christ did not say this. He said that he came to fulfill the Law, not do away with the Law. You are right that we no longer offer sacrifices, but what has that got to do with the sacramentals?
As for the OT ceremonies, do we not have baptism? Do we not celebrate the Lord’s supper? Everyone has traditions and ceremonies. The only thing is that they differ from one church to another.
“So then you admit the Roman Catholic church shares pagan worship methods? And that is fine with you??”
He is saying that if you wish cleanse ‘Pagan’ influences, you would have to rename Saturday, and the days of the week. It’s an argument ad absurdo. Obviously, you aren’t calling to remove all pagan influences from the church, just the ones you don’t like.
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