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To: jboot; wintertime
And...It is entirely possible to be very faithful and devoted Catholic ( holding Mary in high esteem) without doing any of this Mary stuff.

I used to believe this too but now I am convinced otherwise.

You walk into a building full of statues of Mary and various saints. What do you do about that? I would like to hear from just ONE Roman Catholic who can say they never in their lives knelt down and prayed before a statue. heck, we used to sing songs of praise and crown a statue of Mary with a crown of flowers on May Day.

Attending mass is a problem: various prayers that everyone recites in unison have words like "we pray to all the angels and saints". There are often references to "the ever-virgin Mary" and the "Mother of God". One prayer to Mary says, "Pray to us who have recourse to thee."

If you participate in praying a rosary, you must recite countless repetitions of what the Catholics call "The Hail Mary".

Catholics must beleive that Mary was conceived without sin (the Immaculate Conception) They teach that she did not give birth to Jesus in the usual way but that he passed out of her body as rays of sun through glass. If she had given birth, it might have anulled her virginity.

Believing that she was an eternal virgin? Whatever, there are arguments for and against her having more children but I believe she DID have other children which is against RC doctrine.

A Catholic must also believe that Mary was bodily assumed into heaven instead of dying. That's where all this intercession and stuff comes from. She's still alive, just like Jesus, in their minds.

So, if you don't believe these things, you cannot be a Catholic. I don't know how this can be reconciled.

177 posted on 03/15/2010 1:21:11 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: T Minus Four; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ..

INDEED.

WOW.

I didn’t know about the no real birth thing.

That alone is UNBIBLICAL.


180 posted on 03/15/2010 1:27:08 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: T Minus Four
Thank you for your interesting perspective. I don't think that the Immaculate Conception is dogma yet (i.e. must be professed lest salvation be forfeit), but I'm fairly sure that Perpetual Virginity is.

Personally, I can take or leave Perpetual Virginity: no doctrines of the faith depend upon it. Yet I could not positively affirm it, because the scriptures make no affirmation. Likewise, the Immaculate Conception is a tough pill to swallow without scripture to back it up.

183 posted on 03/15/2010 1:33:33 PM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: T Minus Four; jboot; wintertime
Believing that she was an eternal virgin? Whatever, there are arguments for and against her having more children but I believe she DID have other children which is against RC doctrine.

The perpetual virginity and Joseph being old are blatantly greco-roman paganism. By being a perpetual virgin and Joseph being to old to have marital relations with Mary she gets to be "the spouse of the Holy Spirit" and God can't be accused of committing adultery. These beliefs developed as Christianity became mainstream in a pagan world.

190 posted on 03/15/2010 1:49:52 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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