The Great Heresies

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[Elsie]

It is not until the next line that our Lord changes Simon's name to Peter.

No, it was NOT 'changed', as he was ALREADY known by this.

If you want to try the AFTER the asencion thing, then you'd best apply it EQUALLY.

[Elsie]

Some of the effect of Christ’s play on words was lost when his statement was translated from the Aramaic into Greek, but that was the best that could be done in Greek.<>Good luck pushing this idea, for you do NOT have what Jesus alledgely said in ARAMAIC!

[trisham]

I wonder WHY???

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It's a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of Scripture. :)

[Elsie]

It happened when "Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi" (Matt. 16:13), a city that Philip the Tetrarch built and named in honor of Caesar Augustus, who had died in A.D. 14. The city lay near cascades in the Jordan River and near a gigantic wall of rock, a wall about 200 feet high and 500 feet long, which is part of the southern foothills of Mount Hermon. The city no longer exists, but its ruins are near the small Arab town of Banias; and at the base of the rock wall may be found what is left of one of the springs that fed the Jordan. It was here that Jesus pointed to Simon and said, "You are Peter" (Matt. 16:18).

Yes, let's look at it...

The DISTRICT of...
ruins are NEAR...
It was here...

Sorry; but much assumption is being made.

[Elsie]

As an analogy, consider this artificial sentence: "I have a car and a truck, and it is blue."

And the nun would rap your knuckles if swomeone tried to pass this off as a sentence!

"I have a car and a truck, WHICH is blue."

might get by.

[Elsie]

it sure is!

[trisham]

Now we’re making some progress. Sola scriptura down, and how many more to go?

[MarkBsnr]

Good starter list....not sure why Islam is not included on this Roman Catholic list. Most Christians I know consider it a heresy, esp given its origins.

It has been heavily influenced by both Christianity and Judaism, true, but Muslims are not considered Christian, and are not baptized with the Trinitarian formula.

[MarkBsnr]

Protestantism has survived the test of time for good reasons; it too, is based on the Rock, Jesus.

The success of the Protestant Reformation was political, and to a much lesser extent doctrinal or theological. If one would point to longevity as proof, one must point to Hinduism, from 1500 BC; the Celtic religion dates back to 1000 BC, Buddhism from 600 BC, and Jainism, about the same time.

When you remove many of the differences in practice, there is remarkable harmony between Protestant denominations about the role of Scripture, faith, and of Christ.

I would disagree; given the different Trinitarian or non Trinitarian understandings amongst the different denominations (subordinationalism and Jesus-only beliefs are rife amongst the various Pentecostals and non denominationals). Free will versus predetermination is still a significant (but waning) issue amongst the non Calvinist and non Calvinist groups as well.

[MarkBsnr]

You apparently chose to believe that the God of the Bible has revealed some sort of extra Biblical truth to your popes even tho many were drunks, committed fornication, bore kids out of wedlock, were homosexuals and child molesters, passed on the position to family, and even sold the position of the head of the magisterium to others, and killed each other for the title...

False accusation, to begin with. Also, how many in your religion are not sinners? As a percentage (since the membership is only one, if I recall correctly), if you would. The heretics you describe are mild to laughable compared to the heresy of the Catholic religion...

Since Catholicism is not a religion, that relieves us of any accusations of heresy (which is strange anyway since the Church defines heresy anyway).

[boatbums]

I'm not a Catholic, but I don't see 'all religion enslaves'.

Thanks for the reply. What I meant by that statement is that the very word "religion" means "to bind back". This idea is what ties all religions, in that, it is always man's attempts to bind himself back to God. True, biblical Christianity is the opposite. It is God binding man back to himself through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for us. Our Heavenly Father offers us eternal life in heaven with him as a gift that we accept by faith. His grace is what binds us to him and not our good deeds that bind him to us.

I don't see real Christianity as a "religion". Does that explain it ok?

[boatbums]

Excellent post! Amen.

[boatbums]

Thank you for the post. Why do you think so many people have such a completely different viewpoint on this? My belief is that it is because of pride that mankind thinks he must add his "two-cents worth" to everything. I just don't understand why others don't get the simplicity that is in Christ. God paid the penalty for our sins - something we could never do - and offers salvation as a gift to be accepted, received, believed.

Good works are indeed part of the Christian's life of faith - after we are saved. But to somehow think anything we do must go along with the sacrifice of Christ, is to count the cross of Christ of no effect or value. Hundreds of verses tell us eternal life is a gift of God, that it is given to us by God's grace. It is pure pride, or total confusion, that prevents people from receiving this amazing gift of grace! IMO.

[boatbums]

Your religion has built it's entire existence and so-called infallible authority on this one set of verses! You then proceed to assume that from that point on, every subsequent, self-anointed church head has inherited this authority. Regardless of agreement with the Bible, whatever this person - good or evil - deems as dogma must be accepted under penalty of excommunication.

We have freedom of religion in this country (for now, anyway), you obviously can believe whatever you want. I, prefer to believe what the Word of God says and words, in context, mean what they say.

[irishtenor]

I agree.

[boatbums]

Since Catholicism is not a religion, that relieves us of any accusations of heresy (which is strange anyway since the Church defines heresy anyway).

True, the universal (small 'c' catholic) church of believers in Jesus Christ is not a religion. Just the opposite of all other religions in the world, in fact. But I don't think it's correct for one group to co-opt the designation and then condemn all other who don't call themselves by the same label. God sees the heart, man can only see the outside, therefor, labels mean nothing to the Lord.

[xone]

His grace is what binds us to him and not our good deeds that bind him to us.

Amen sis.

I don't see real Christianity as a "religion".

As long as you don't hold to the idea of going it by yourself as the only human involved. The Namesake wishes us to practice it amongst fellow believers.

[NYer]

We have freedom of religion in this country

You have something even more important. God gave you the gift of free choice. You may choose to remain in His Church or leave it. I believe you have already addressed this in a previous post.

[annalex]

Ephesians 2 does not prove your point. It expresses the Catholic position: that not all works are salvific, — for example, works done for a social gain are not, but that works that God wants you to do are: they are together with faith a gift from God.

Read the Ctripture attentively and you will leave the Protestant heresies behind.

[MarkBsnr]

And now you know the Biblical position!

Quoting single verses from the OT do not trump the words of Jesus. You may claim the Biblical (OT) position, supported by snippets of Paul, but in doing so, you are superseding the words of Jesus. Kephas. An imperfect sinner, yet Jesus chose him as His steward.