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To: flowerplough
No (biblical) facecloth, 14th century weave, etc. Yeah, sure, they coulda twill-woven that more-modern shroud cloth in ancient Sandland, but then you’re countering your own point that “that 21st century scientists are unable to reproduce the Shroud’s image using CURRENT technology,” Wagglebee. If you try to claim that someone mighta twill-woven a shroud in the year 0 BC, then you’ve also gotta allow me to posit that someone, given enough time, money and inspiration could duplicate the shroud today.

Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. The face cloth exists. It is held in the Cathedral of Oviedo Spain, and called the Sudarium of Oviedo. It was a rolled cloth that was placed around the face (not OVER the face) to bind the jaw shut... this cultural practice is well documented in Jewish burial practices from documents FROM THE PERIOD.

Fine Linen twill weaves were NOT a 14th century invention contrary to your assumption... many weave patterns predated the 14th century... and fine Linen 3 over 1 JEWISH twill patterns have been found in the Jewish fortress of Masada from the 1st Century. So another one of your arguments is shot down... and 3 over 1 twill patterns have been found in 2000 years older than that Egyptian tombs... so that's dispositive of nothing more than your eagerness to show your ignorance of the topic at hand.

However, the Shroud DOES have limestone dust on the dorsal side that is found only on one place on earth... that dust is a form of Travertine Aragonite limestone, found only in a small area to the east of Jerusalem, and nowhere else... it's identical to the limestone where the tombs were quarried where Joseph or Aramathea and many of the wealthy members of Jerusalem's population buried their dead. I wonder how a medieval forger thought to add that little detail to his masterpiece.

And the shroud’s been too closely held and controlled and too-little researched for anyone to make any “physics, radiology, botany, anthropology, medicine, forensics, ancient history, textiles, art....you name it” bones, ROL. Let me do my own physiopsychopneumenology on it, will ya? Let me hold it in my basement laboratory for 3 months and I’ll be mass-producing replicas in China @ $34.95 each. STURP called the question of how the image was formed “a mystery”, they say, but mysteries often get solved. I see your point about the water stain, CB, and will admit my error there, but, what with the current Pope just now implicated in deaf-boy-Priest-rape coverups, and with what so many historians tell me about so many popes and churches down thru the centuries, and with my own innate skepticism, and with this particular Jesus shroud (there’ve been many others, I believe) suddenly being “discovered” in teh 1400s. I won’t believe this particular shroud ever touched Jesus until he shows me the mark of the nails in his hands, and puts my hand in his wounded side. So, yeah, ROL, let’s see it. “(P)hysics, radiology, botany, anthropology, medicine, forensics, ancient history, textiles, art... I won’t believe much of it, I’m afraid, but some of it might be interesting to read.

Too little researched... Laughing my Democrat-Party-Mascot off...

You display your abysmal ignorance of both science and the shroud's history, Flowerplough. The Shroud has been called the single most studied object in the world... with good reason. It is... for over 112 years. Samples of the shroud's cloth and the stains and image have been in the hands of scientists since 1973. Thirty seven years... and they are making headway in understanding exactly what the image is composed of... and it isn't something made by human artifice in the 14th Century by any of the so far proposed techniques. In addition, there is far more provenance for the existence of the Shroud far earlier than what you grant as its "discovery" in the 14th century... provenance that takes it at least as far back as the sixth century.

You might want to try reading some of the peer-reviewed science that already exists on the shroud research... before you denigrate it so off-handedly.

148 posted on 03/25/2010 10:26:00 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the comments on the cloth keeping the jaw shut. (’cuz that is all I remembered and would have written!). I did not know that about the limestone. I have read stuff about the pollens that they have found that include plants native to the region.

Interesting stuff. I know in the Bible it talks about the “water” that flowed from the spear thrust (I think that was from a prophecy?). I forget how medically it is explained - a clear fluid around the heart or something.

Interesting how the shape of the nose on the jewelry is similar to the rendering of the 3D History Channel image. Of course that may be common for the region?


151 posted on 03/25/2010 10:44:11 PM PDT by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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